Printable View
Nor if you vote Tory. Nor if you vote for anyone sane.
EU citizens will be subject to UK law however it evolves with maybe a legacy grandfathering for existing rights and obligations. Future evolutions in EU law will no more affect rights in the UK than future evolution of British law affected American or Australian or Irish laws post-independence.
You're convincing yourself like the little engine that could aren't you? I'm afraid that our Brexit is going to be much more fun than yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Yes your imperial majesty, of course it will.
Oops, and now you're not first in line for the US after all.
And if you believe that you'll believe anything.
In case you've forgotten my concern with the EU was not that it was not worth making a deal with, but it was unable to make one.
It's going to be a streaming pile of shit for everyone except Putin and ISIS. Not even comedians and satirists will have a good time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
Also:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...officials.html
Sounds familiar :oQuote:
Mrs Merkel is said to have told senior colleagues that Mr Trump misunderstood the basic facts about the EU and trade, asking her 10 times if he could work out a trade deal with Germany before finally getting the message he could negotiate only with the EU.
Inconvenient truths you prefer to ignore I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Your opinion or that of your PM is hardly of any interest.
Inconvenience truths matter a lot. We are leaving because too many inconvenient truths were brushes under the carpet for too long afterall.
The irony is strong with this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
It's not like we weren't alive and well to the inconvenient truths as to what was wrong with the EU for a long time before the referendum, as much as others want to shrug and pretend everything is hunkydory and insult those who possess a healthy scepticism.
Inconvenient truths like that how most of your 'problems with the EU' were simply home made?Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
That's not true.
And now you even doubled down on the irony!Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
I've not pretended everything is hunkydory or been the one flinging out insults.
Must've been someone else then who thinks that Brexit is the best thing since sliced bread.
with tea and jam
But no Prosecco, mind!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Must've been. I was the one who decided it was on balance the right thing to vote for but was torn and only swung that way quite late. Had I felt it was the best thing since sliced bread I'd have not been torn - and it would have been an easy decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
Brexitanian logic; when in doubt, break glass and jump off the cliff.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Rand has been an all in type for as long as I can remember. Once he thinks he finally has something figured out he doesn't waver or second guess. Its a final all-in decision. He's displayed this in both his political opinions and in snippets of his life stories.
That's quite insightful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
It's why when I play poker I often end up chip leader and then losing.
*shrug* It's a popular way to run a business or a political campaign.
Ramoanier logic: when in doubt do nothing and stand still on the road/train tracks/in the burning building.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
You are mistaking me for someone I presume.
Well, currently you're playing poker with your country's economy. Your experience in that game should give you pause.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
We've already pushed our chips in, too late to fold now.
Chips in indeed, let's see how those cards play out.
~
A new Brexit project kicks off in earnest tomorrow at my bank which I'll have a little involvement with; Euro-clearings shifting over from London to Paris.
As things stand today, this is the only material change at the bank that has resulted from the vote to leave.
The card game unfolding will decide what else, if anything, the banks eventually do.
If there is any room for common sense on the side of the British government there will be an agreement to end EU membership and the start of a transitional period which lasts till the end of the current budget cycle. The UK will withdraw from the organization once the two years are up (or earlier if possible) but otherwise the Treaties will be appliccable untill at least the end of the transitional period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timbuk2
This approach will mean that indeed Brexit is Brexit. It will avoid presenting the UK with something that resembles an exit bill. Also it will enable the UK starting up talks with the wider world and it will give the UK a decent number of years to come to a new type of accomodation with the EU without a huge risk of falling off the cliff. Advantage for businesses is that they will know from the beginning what will be on the table and what will not.
What is an absolute condition for this to happen is a settlement for the rights of EU27 citizens living in the UK up untill at least Brexit and probably the end of the transitional period that from the British point of view is gold plated. The reason why it needs to be gold plated is that for the vast majority of Brits living in the EU27 that will be what they will get on the basis of present legislation. Any hint that British citizens get the better deal would mean political suicide for the EU side. And that is something thats not going to happen.
Interesting; seems the EU is going to instruct the UK Home office on how not to treat EU citizens. That aggressive attitude, sending people with absolute right to be in the UK letters telling them to prepare to leave, really has paid off.
There was no aggression. Bureaucratic incompetence strikes again, you are aware that those who got those pro forma letters have already been told they don't need to leave right?
The template for if someone's request for right to remain gets rejected is to advise them to leave or appeal the decision because people who already have right to remain rarely apply for it redundantly. A surge of people who already had right to remain seeking it but not filling in the ridiculously bureaucratic papers correctly has caused this "computer says no" nonsense.