covid-19

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Originally Posted by Lewkowski

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9384541.html

A man has gone bar-hopping in order to spread the coronavirus after discovering he was infected, reports suggest.

Despite being asymptomatic, he tested positive at a hospital in the Japanese city of Gamagori on Wednesday after both of his parents contracted the virus, and was told to wait at home until space at a suitable medical facility could be found for him the following day.

Instead, Fuji News Network (FNN) reports he decided to visit two bars in the small coastal city after telling a family member: “I am going to spread the virus.”


Wtf. Take him out back and shoot him in the head. The kind of person who would deliberately try to spread disease like this doesn't need to be alive anymore.

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Let us start with Trump and Pence then.

Are y'all literally retarded? How you guys don't understand the difference between a potential bad decision and a deliberate act is mind boggling.

You mean like how Trump deliberately overruled the CDC?
Like how Trump deliberately banned the CDC from speaking direct to the media?
Like how Trump is deliberately trying to massage the stats thus making the epidemic worse?
Like how Trump deliberately used the word "hoax"?
Like how Trump deliberately lied about testing availability?

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16 and 3/5ths of a person have been tested?

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At this point, mass testing and contact-tracing may no longer be the best priorities in several parts of the US.

But a stir crazy foreigner is the malicious one :rolleyes:

Florida's infected count keeps climbing according to the local news. The Monday update could look a bit crazy. Oh and it's in DC now and hospitals are being told to plan for a workload 10x that of the flu season.

The funny thing about not having daily updates is that having an update after 3 days could emphasise how much its going up.

Daily updates for 3 days might see approximately a 25% update three days in a row, or a post-weekend update could see a doubling in numbers.

Any thoughts Aimless? :D

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Why is the GOP being such dicks about the coronavirus? Normally with republican fuckery there's a fairly clear motive but I can't figure out what their deal is here. Did someone tell them the coronavirus has oil?

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

All Trump cares about is the economy and the NYSE. He thinks if he can pretend the virus isn't real the economic damage will be minimised, instead he's going to cause it to be much, much greater. China will be back up and running and back to normal long before Trump's America.

Yeah, but why's he being all "you should touch the coronavirus then touch your eye", that's more than denial it's active sabotage.

Its somewhere between the range of:
He is incapable of accepting responsibility for anything that could be negative and attached to him. And the only thing he knows is gaslighting.
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Using the resulting pandemic, projected to reach 10x that of our last/current flu season, to suspend elections and grab for power.

It'd take a constitutional amendment to do the latter though wouldn't it? AFAIK the elections can be postponed by weeks, but can't be cancelled.

As opposed to in this country where elections can be postponed in times of emergency (as was famously done during WWII and less famously in 2001)

I never thought of Trump as the sharpest knife in the kitchen, but lately it seems like he's not entirely there at all sometimes.

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Originally Posted by RandBlade

It'd take a constitutional amendment to do the latter though wouldn't it? AFAIK the elections can be postponed by weeks, but can't be cancelled.

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The definition and timeframe of postponed would require working checks and balances. Which we don't have right now.

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Originally Posted by Hazir

I never thought of Trump as the sharpest knife in the kitchen, but lately it seems like he's not entirely there at all sometimes.

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He's a germophobe trying to manage a pandemic that may kill 1/5 patients his age.

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Originally Posted by Aimless

He's a germophobe trying to manage a pandemic that may kill 1/5 patients his age.

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You'd think that would make him inclined to take it seriously not treat it as a hoax.

CPAC had an infected man shaking hands with top GOP officials. Now some are quarantining voluntarily (including Ted Cruz). oops

Payroll tax cuts, the federal reserve lowering short-term interest rates, and even subsidies to the airline and cruise industries aren't going to address the "Viral Economics" of covid-19.

It's crazy that Trump hasn't been tested. :confused:

New genius move from the nation that popularized smallpox blankets:

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My employer just let me know that anyone who reasonably can should work from home for at least the next week.

I had to google the EOIR acronym. :(

"All of Italy now on lockdown". All public gatherings are banned by the Pope and the PM. Their healthcare system is crumbling? :eek:

And the Olympic torch passing ceremonies in Japan (and Greece) will be closed to the public. Arenas are hosting sports events without spectators. Understandable, from a public health perspective.





But in the US it doesn't really make sense, because we don't really value the lives of seniors...they're just a huge demographic that we tolerate, because it makes for lots of jobs in several sectors. When politicians talk about reducing "entitlements", the first people to complain aren't the elderly themselves, but their doctors, nurses, home-caretakers, plus anyone that mows their lawn or installs low-step showers. Geriatrics is a huge money-making industry. Keep people alive longer, make more money for yourself. Convince yourself that you're improving their quality of life, even tho they pray to die.

I read somewhere that covid-19 is the "Angel of Death" for the elderly. I can see why that might be a welcomed thing, especially for folks "warehoused" in nursing homes long-term facilities, worrying about their medical costs pushed onto their kids. Since we focus too much on longevity and not enough on quality of life, that's a real and valid concern.

My apologies for the tangent, no need to reply or rebut, I just wanted to get that off my chest. Thanks for listening, I guess. :noob:

Yes, the real scary thing is that it's breaking down in the part of the country that has a good system.

Italy really stuffed this up and its frustrating me people in this country running around like headless chickens suggesting we do the same things the Italians did like shutting down all schools. That's not a good idea at all at this stage.

America very possibly could be like Italy soon such is its lack of testing.

Every single major economy will have to start making the same decisions. For the NHS, the question is how badly they'll be fucked—completely or just almost completely. Social distancing is going to prove to be the single most important measure in response to the pandemic, and people are not going to stop going to major gatherings voluntarily so govt. will have to become more firm. The NHS's resources are public, and the govt has the mandate and the responsibility to protectively safeguard those resources.

Social distancing is important, but shutting schools without other measures isn't social distancing. In fact it can be very counter-productive if it means children (who will continue to mingle) end up being supervised more by their at-risk grandparents.

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I forgot to mention that the elderly are mostly "valued" when they're taking care of their grandkids.

The US claims to have a "whole of government" approach, but states are using test kits from independent labs, and the CDC isn't the main clearing house for ALL the data. That's fucked up.

Interestingly there party politics seems to dominate while here party-politics has been set aside completely. Not having any national elections for the foreseeable future probably helps but there are the devolved administration elections due in May.

But currently all those in office, regardless of party, are singing from the same hymnsheet. The response is co-ordinated in the COBR (pronounced and often miswritten COBRA) meeting which includes not just the PM and medics etc but also the head of all the devolved administrations, including SNP's Nicola Sturgeon, Labour's Mark Drakeford and the DUP's Arlene Foster. After the COBR meeting on Monday they all came out giving the same message and saying we're doing the right things - no partisan snipings at all.

I've never seen Sturgeon and Johnson agree on anything ever. Wonder if that itself is a sign of the apocalypse.