Not to mention you don't lose your accent then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
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Not to mention you don't lose your accent then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
No leaving a community does not entail cutting all ties to the community. Some communities cut all ties with ex-members but I don't respect or encourage that.
You listed the Jehova's Witnesses as an example. Leaving the JW will lead to the loss of contact with anyone inside the JW.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Don't complain to me if you're using shitty comparisons. Maybe, just maybe, you might consider thinking for more than five meters of gravel road when choosing comparisons.
You asked what an ex-member of a community was. I gave an example. That is all.
Right. So, how exactly would you recognize that someone is an "ex member"?
I don't recall saying I would recognise someone as an ex member.
I believe I did say that ex members would be more likely to see their accents change and soften.
In order to achieve that they'd need to distance themselves from that group.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Now, why again would they need to do that in your eyes?
They wouldn't need to distance themselves from the group, just integrate with the rest of society. Get a house, a job, send their children to school, that sort of thing.
That's not "integration", that's called "assimilation".
You think children going to school is assimilation?
Fine, assimilate then if that's what you want to call it. Regardless of race, religion, gender, creed, social group, sexual orientation or anything else it is the least I expect of anyone that children get educated.
No, basically you want them to become cookie cutter stereotypes of what you deem fitting.
No wonder they reject that. "Hey, give up everything you know and conform to my ideals and maybe we'll treat you like a human being!"
You make it sound like assimilation is a bad thing. I'm curious - for all the Muslim immigrants you are taking, do you want them to keep their male first cultural identity where women are subservient or do you think it would be beneficial for them to assimilate and gain superior western values?Quote:
Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro
I'm waiting for Khen to talk himself into homeschooling at this point.
LOL he'[s most of the way there :D
You realize that there are ways to school those groups without homeschooling? But, please, carry on building this strawman so you can triumphantly burn it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
Plus, I find it wonderous that you guys give a list of "They have to do A, B, C and D!"
And then when I say: "You're demanding with that list that they become like you and give up everything that makes them what they are!" you promptly try to turn around and then say: "What have you got against D?"
Really shitty argumentative tactic. Using that logic (and because Rand already used that particular group, so it's fair game), what have you got against Nazis? After all, they built the Autobahn!
But...what if their culture prefers homeschool? You are just forcing them to assimilate! Gasp!
Read my edit. You don't get to propose a complete list and demand that they adapt the whole list. And then cherrypick one detail from this list to paint someone being unreasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veldan Rath
By that standard, I'll demand that you allow homeschooling, become a cannibal and also sacrifice a child every sunday. And you have to fulfill all three of those demands.
Okay, so what are they allowed to keep as part of their culture and what are they allowed not in your view? Homeschooling is out so far. But again, why do you get to choose by your own standard?
I don't have to advise what I got against Nazis, I'm the one on the assimilate side, remember? You move to a new place, you need to adapt. Goosestepping giant oven builders aren't generally welcome as the basis of our society is that you don't get to do that. You can think it all you want but we aren't the thought police (yet), just don't do it.
We want people to leave the stuff they left their home for to begin with, but bring the other stuff to add to our culture, but don't expect ours to change all that much.
"You move to a new place, you need to adapt."
Right. Those guys have been in the country for centuries. It's not a "new place". You're just as bigoted as Rand. And "we're not the thought police"? Right. You're demanding assimilation, that makes you indeed the thought police. Downright fascist, in fact.
But how kind of you to "allow" them to keep a bit of their culture. Mighty nice, Mr. Jackboot. THAT is right out of the playbook of fascists and supremacists.
Well you won't allow homeschooling, so Jackboot right at ya.
Well, well, well.
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