They're here, aren't they? And they're not from a place as shattered as Somalia, or under a "dangerous regime" like NK or Iran, right? Isn't that evidence enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
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They're here, aren't they? And they're not from a place as shattered as Somalia, or under a "dangerous regime" like NK or Iran, right? Isn't that evidence enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
I mean, I get it, but I still have difficulties getting my head around the notion that all of this dumbfuckery is somehow emanating from a single real human(-ish) being.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
Just as I still have difficulties getting my head around these testimonials: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...?refreshed=yes
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Big if true, but if this gets to SCOTUS we may learn that due process isn't a concern in America.
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Multiple reports that this man with diabetes and mental health issues, who had apparently lived in the US since he was a little baby, was deported to Iraq, shortly after which he died because he couldn't obtain any insulin. Didn't speak the language, had no home there, and no real network.
https://www.npr.org/2019/08/21/75306...ilies-children
The cruelty is the point. But we have to remember to say nice things about these authoritarian tossers.
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The reprehensible violation of this man's rights was a result of active choices made by people who must be held to account. They should be on the hook financially. They should lose their jobs. They shouldn't be dehumanized, but they should also not be employed as cops.Quote:
Ramon Torres had been a U.S. citizen for nearly ten years when he was detained for four days on an immigration hold – despite having a U.S. passport, a Louisiana driver’s license, and a Social Security card, and despite that fact that a court ordered his release.
Torres’ ordeal began in August 2018, when he was pulled over and arrested on suspicion of driving while intoxicated. Torres, a naturalized U.S. citizen since 2009, was carrying multiple forms of identification, including his driver’s license and other security credentials. Torres was booked at the Ascension Parish Jail, and the next day the Parish Court ordered his release.
But Torres wasn’t released. Instead, the Ascension Parish Sheriff’s Office placed an “immigration hold” on Torres on the suspicion that he was unlawfully present in the United States.
The basis for this suspicion? He had a Latinx name and brown skin. Staff at the sheriff’s office explained that they had a policy of detaining all Latinx people for immigration review.
Brown people are second-class citizens:
https://aclu-or.org/en/news/maria-so...ort-were-suing
Related:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...5d5_story.html
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2...hman-deported/
Deported for what "friends" say on social media. A new low for the US....
Shameful:
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Yet, the Evangelical Christians, who make up a large part of the non-profit refugee settlement effort, will still stand behind Trump *politically*...because they're convinced he's The Chosen One, doing God's work?
We're beyond the Looking Glass.
There must be accountability. Govt. officials must be dragged before judges over this repugnant policy.
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Originally Posted by Aimless
Dragged before judges in what capacity? What working of the legal system are you looking for here?
Child abuse for starters?
Is malfeasance in office not an offence in the USA?
I hope that it may be possible to punish officials for participating in abuse or in violation of other rights/protections, and for gross negligence that appears to have seen children separated from their families with no reasonable hope of reunification. If you separate children from their parents and lose them in the system, there must be some law under which you can be punished.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
What kind of madness is this?
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ICE create a fake university but endorse it as a legitimate university on the federal government's website. Students get enrolled and are given legal visas for a university listed and endorsed as legal. Millions of tuition fees are taken. ICE reveals it is all entrapment, close the university arrest and deport (but don't refund) the students.
Most officials involved are going to be immune because their acts were ministerial. They had no discretion. Those who did have discretion will be protected by qualified immunity. Separating children from their families during crimino-legal immigration proceedings is not clearly a violation of constitutional rights or federal law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
Yes. But it wasn't malfeasance. Misfeasance is closer but you run into the same immunity issues above. The Congress-set rules effectively make misfeasance an untargetable offense wrt federal employeesQuote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
You can target and try to punish the federal government in general. But per the Federal Employees Liability Reform and Tort Compensation Act of 1988, federal employees are protected by absolute immunity for actions within their perimeter of duties. The exception is for claims of violation of constitutional or federal statutes with actions that were discretionary but even there qualified immunity may be invoked and unless the action alleged a clear violation of such a statute then the claim of qualified immunity will be upheld.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Basically, Congress flat out did not and does not want officials to be legally targeted as individuals for creating, enacting, or implementing policies. You can probably manage to get some of the people managing facilities for negligence and inadequate quality of care, particularly those where children died. And state employees aren't as protected as federal ones so you might be able to get some of them for cooperating with the Feds. But there is no constitutional or legal obligation to keep families together, merely an ethical one, and the major problems reuniting families stem from scale issues which are nonjusticiable wrt individual officials.
Some Latin American organization can try using targeted sanctions against all individuals involved. If they wait until after Trump leaves office, the US government might not retaliate. It won't happen, but who knows.
An institution dedicated to dehumanization:
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Thanks Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...2fe_story.html
Probably hundreds of children still separated from their families. Anyone who defends this abomination is a shithead.
Whenever I think I cannot be more disgusted by the US, something like this pops up:
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There are people who support this sort of shit. And such people can only be described as useless fuckwits.
In that sentence useless should be spelt e - v - i - l.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
America :(
Can you be a little more specific than an entire hemisphere?Quote:
Originally Posted by Timbuk2
Americans :(
What happens when you're working for the Trump admin but have a vestigial conscience that hasn't yet been surgically removed:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...ly-separations
Read the article:
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Officials and govt. agents who are directly responsible for permanently breaking up families like this belong in prison.
They are looking for the parents but the parents can't be found... sounds like the parents just abandoned their kids. Wouldn't surprise me to be honest, many of the kids who were being carried over weren't with their parents, it was just a ploy to get people to avoid immediate deportation. They weren't even testing DNA until changes took place under the Trump admin.
You really are the dumbest little shithead, aren't you. Both dumb and a shithead. The parents can't because the govt. separated them from their children in a way that makes reunification extremely difficult, eg. because important information wasn't recorded or preserved and the parents were deported. Get your head out of your fucking ass you moron. It is a genuine tragedy that children are in your care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
It figures you would think rapist Mexicans would just abandon their kids, because you're a racist imbecile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
At least if they had been from Mexico there might be a higher chance of reunification, but many of the families that were broken up were from central American countries, often speaking languages/dialects that make it extremely difficult to interact with govt authorities in another country in a foreign language, with no recourse to any form of legal assistance. And, if you're a child—perhaps a toddler—who's been stolen from your parents and trapped in a foreign country, there isn't much you can do to find your parents. These disgusting morons are applauding a govt. that has stolen children and now they want to hurt those children further by suggesting that their parents abandoned them. Being that stupid and that slimy requires either a lot of conscious effort or innate worthlessness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust
I'm thinking the latter.
Why either/or? Why not both?
Laughing my ass off at this blatant dumbfuckery:
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(thread about Trump admin's last desperate attempts to hamstring Biden admin's efforts to fix these racist jokers' comically stupid immigration policies)
A thousand children remain separated from their families.
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Politicians and officials responsible for separating these children from their families should be in prison.