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Weekend at Donnie's
What are the odds the Supreme Court strikes down Trump's tariffs? I believe they should, if they were performing their role in US government, but, they haven't done much of that this year so far. Assuming they do, what does it mean for, idk, *everything* that shit-for-brains government has done economically this year? The government will have to refund the money I'm assuming and all of a sudden all the dumb shit Trump's been doing to all our trade partners stops? Just like that? I can't wrap my brain around what happens after that. Any chance the Trump Admin will just tell the Supreme Court to go fuck itself? I mean, why not? Nothing Trump does is illegal - SCOTUS already ruled that.
Any bets on when the government reopens? The Democrats have absolutely no reason to fold. Trump is 100% all about never giving in, so, can't see how it ends. I'm very interested to see air traffic restricted though. Never seen anything like that before. And so crazy that the people the Democrats are holding out for are largely red state probable Trumpers. And Trump holding poor people's food hostage is also pain on his own supporters. This madness is so fascinating. Maybe he'll use the whole thing as a reason to invoke the insurrection act and have the military arrest the Democratic Senators, then tell the Republican's to vote to open the government. I feel like anything can happen.
And how about all those drug boats Trump's had the military destroying? I mean, I *guess* they're drug boats, though the government hasn't provided any evidence at all, to say nothing of issuing what amounts to the death penalty for drug smuggling with no due process or even underlying law supporting it. And I believe they blew some up thousands of miles away from the US coast, not sure how they can justify that. And when they captured some of them alive, they just sent them back. I mean, if they are drug runners, don't you want to arrest and try them? So, how is that not lawless murder/ assassination? WTaF?
About 70% according to betting markets.
How SCOTUS is gonna come down on tariffs is a pure guessing game. They've got plenty of material from their backgrounds to justify both sides, and even if they rule against them they've got a huge amount of leeway in how far they go in doing so and what sort of relief is to be provided. The one sure thing is we the consumers won't be getting any money back for the way they've increased prices to pass the cost on to us. Also, if SCOTUS does rule against the tariffs, Trump is just going to immediately reimpose them citing another legal authority and begin the process all over again.
Government reopening is also highly speculative. The Dems are gonna fold, there are enough moderates who just hate this chaos and bother (and the pain the shutdown is causing, in fairness) to guarantee that, but they're gonna get some sort of concession from the Congressional Republicans. No idea how far that will go, but it will almost certainly be meaningless because Trump will ignore it, just like he stabbed them in the back on the last CR with his recissions list. The moderate Dems just plan on trying to run using that as a talking point, which no one in the electorate is going to be bothering about by mid-terms next year. We'll have fresh material to stew about.
The "narco-terrorism" thing pisses me off so much. It's straight up murder, and the Republicans in Congress refuse to do anything. Spineless cowards who are content to pretend that Article 1 of the Constitution doesn't exist anymore, at least with a Republican in the Oval Office.
The ones with a backbone or moral compass have long retired or left the party. Just to be replaced by a new generation incel Nazis.
I just don't understand it. Ambition alone should at least have them be jealous of their prerogatives
Long past time for Dems in Congress to start calling their Republican colleagues by their true names - cowards and traitors. Schumer offered to let the GOP shit in his mouth in exchange for an end to the shutdown chaos, and was turned down within minutes :) the House's Epstein vacation looks like a permanent arrangement. In unrelated news, brownshirts arrested a couple and then kidnapped their toddler
Most don't have ambition. They're afraid of Trump (and more so of his supporters) and are happy to do his bidding as long as it means a chance to be above the law and the money/social status that goes with that. Pretty much the only constituency work they do nowadays is reach out to the executive branch when it affects a major donor. Then you have a minority of Christian nationalists who want to replicate the Taliban (see Johnson and several SCOTUS justices) and believe Trump is the best way to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
A big motivator for quite a few congressmen, democracy-be-damned: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/08/b...s-wealthy.html
It could be that when you think your wealth is extreme enough to insulate you from any bad thing the government or general society may do, then you stop giving a crap if the government is a democracy or whether bleeding the government of revenue causes all kinds of harm. I don't know, I haven't found myself so wealthy. I'd like to try it and see if I manage to keep some kind of citizenship ethic...Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Regarding the Brown Shirts, that's the second time I've seen ICE compared to them. I wonder if ICE knows what happened to the original Brown Shirts...
If the Dems fold without something that at least *looks* like a concession, they are fucking themselves yet again. They'll just (continue to) appear weak and useless and lose any kind of momentum, such as it is, that may be building.
The fundamental problem with Democrats (including two of their SCOTUS justices) is that they refuse to admit that we are no longer a democracy. They're playing checkers while the GOP throws shit on the board and repeatedly throws Democratic pieces off the board.
And....they caved with nothing to show for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
They used it as political capital in last week's elections. With those done, they didn't have a reason to maintain the pretense that they care.
Wow, you've gotten dark. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
The US basically suffered the same level of democratic backsliding in 9 months that took Russia and Hungary nearly a decade. At least in those countries, the decline was gradual. Here, people have no excuses. The fact the Democratic Party is pretending everything is fine doesn't bode well for preventing more brazen acts of authoritarianism. That's separate from disastrous policy decisions, like killing hundreds of thousands of people already due to the defunding of USAID.
If only there was another example of a Western democracy being far too lenient to a failed coup plotter just to see him gain power a few years down the line.
I don't think the MAGA movement is going to survive in the post-Trump world, but the structural damage to US democracy will be permanent which will lead to even deeper and more pervasive corruption, unless the Democrats plan to surprise us.
I don't see how you fix the problem of treasonous judges, completely dismantled government departments, pardoned traitors, tens of thousands of brown shirts, and a broken society without reverting to some form of authoritarianism.
There would need to be constitutional reform.
There would need to be a public registry of motherfuckersQuote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
Even though the collapse has been sudden, the decline in resilience/rise in democratic vulnerability has been gradual, with every voluntary and reversible step taken in plain sight for well over a decade. Indeed, many of the threads on this forum and on CC before that have been about those steps towards democratic collapse - and the shit-eating self-serving complacency of some forum members has perfectly mirrored the complacency of the people most responsible for the decline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
We live in a society; they live in a country club.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
I honestly don't think these assholes are ready for the post-Trump era. Right now they feel like they have impunity, but all their names and many of their worst actions can be recovered from govt. records. Even now, many of them look absolutely terrified on photos showing them pointing guns at angry citizens - these motherfuckers are not prepared for the experience of being a universally hated occupying force. In my own country, people viewed as collaborators did not have a pleasant time of it after the war. I don't expect anything quite that terrible for most ICE & BP brownshirts, but I think they'll find it difficult to live in a society where everyone including their own kids know they betrayed their communities in the worst possible way.Quote:
Regarding the Brown Shirts, that's the second time I've seen ICE compared to them. I wonder if ICE knows what happened to the original Brown Shirts...
Truth is Democratic elites only know how to use power against their own. They're more allergic to winning than your average cop is to imaginary fentanyl contact. Losing has always been the easiest way for them and their hangers-on to put food on the table, and they'll keep at it until irate voters replace them with compelling and hungry candidates. And I think that's already happening.Quote:
If the Dems fold without something that at least *looks* like a concession, they are fucking themselves yet again. They'll just (continue to) appear weak and useless and lose any kind of momentum, such as it is, that may be building.
Trump knew, and they all knew Trump knew:
https://bsky.app/profile/sahilkapur..../3m5gs422zck2k
https://bsky.app/profile/democrats.o.../3m5gxhgyrte2m
Fetterman I get. He was only ever in it for networking and contacts to make bank as a post-service lobbyist. Others. . . how blind do you have to be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
There is no reform that fixes this. Constitutions and the rule of law in general are fundamentally an illusion (like currency). People buy into them and everyone agrees to go along, but nothing MAKES it happen or keeps it that way. If power is amassed and those with it choose to disregard the norms, they're able to do so. What has happened in the US is the illusion has been made bare. Even if the magats don't shit all over the next two elections and illegally seize power, they've pointed out to everyone who comes after that the instant you get enough of the basic controls of government on your side, you can do whatever you want. No reform is going to fix that. It may delay things a little while but it's still the same exposed illusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
This gets fixed with the application of force. A reminder that governance is also fundamentally an illusion and the power it provides is limited by the force you can successfully bring to bear when you lack the consent of the governed or face their active resistance. Once that contest gets frightening enough and painful enough, THEN the illusion can be reset with a "new" system because everyone wants to pretend and buy in to end the chaos and the interregnum has provided a plausible excuse for things being different now.
Tbc I wasn't talking about reform :oQuote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
I think they genuinely believe this is politics as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
The more I hear about the boat murders, the more astonished and angry I get. It is straight up murder and the justifications for any of it is flat out lies. Trump's going to be sharpening his pardon pencil before this is over. And speaking of pardons, what the actual fuck! He literally does not give a shit about right and wrong or crime and justice. Its all for sale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
He cares just as much as his supporters do.
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m73wn6dm3g2dQuote:
Originally Posted by Loki
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m73wfghlom2q
I think they genuinely have shit for brains, literal shit.
Look at the unhinged dehumanizing racist rants about Somalis:
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m74foitdzj2u
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m74fgtwx6c2x
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m6znie6z4c2u
Crickets from Omar's own party.
The media calls it "a different view": https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m73v444xuc26
This is not a democracy, it's a shithole country.
Trump could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and the Democrats would say he should have used a lower calibre and aimed away from by-standers
Unless the bystanders are immigrants or leftistsQuote:
Originally Posted by Steely Glint
Huh, looks like you all received Trump's cease and desist letters. :haha:
Well, one year in I came to the conclusion that the USA really isn?t a place I should visit. It isn?t just the nazi-vibes, but also the people making money of putting innocent people in holding pens in the south.
Aww, that's been going on in the South for ages. Are you brown? Talk with a funny accent? If yes to those, you should probably keep your distance. Otherwise, welcome!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hazir
Or Minnesota. Or LA. Or DC. Or Portland. Etc.
And now the news is reporting German soldiers being deployed to Greenland presumably to defend the island against (shakes his head and sighs) seizure by the Untied States military. Its meaningless to talk about the absurdity, the sheer lunatic stupidity of it. Because yes, it is very much conceivable, and idk, *likely* that the US would be at war on some level with Europe in 2026.
Oh, and Trump literally extorted the Nobel Piece Prize from the Venezuelan opposition leader. Will NO REPUBLICAN stand up and point a finger at this fucking monkey and scream ENOUGH before its too late?!? Or, like you all will reply, it IS too late. It was too late when the US justice system could not imprison this criminal for his real and legitimate crimes given FOUR FUCKING YEARS. Consequences of no opposition leadership. Fuck me. Fuck me fuck me..... fuck...
EDIT: Where is Lewkowski to crow about how great it is that America has finally become his dream regime? So telling, sickening, so literaturesque, so piece of shit, he goes silent when all his trolling became real life. Fuck he's probably got a gig in ICE, I hear they're hiring lots and lots of fine men to be ready for martial law when the 26 elections get cancelled.
I remember the days of debating this character we called Lewkowski - from memory it was like head butting a brick wall. Needless to say his/her views were far to outlandish for my current liking.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
Lewk is a talker, not really a doer. He prefers to terrorize people he has easy access to.Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
Yeah, but what about Hillary's emails?Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeKhan
Apparently those 1,500 airborne troops the Pentagon is rousting out of Alaska to supposedly deploy in Minnesota are specialized in arctic warfare. Minnesota is cold this time of year, sure, just not arctic cold. But Greenland is....