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None of the above. The past two weeks in my area some days have had an air quality advisory due to smoke. Other days there's been no advisory. Because the precautions we should be taking depend on how bad conditions are at that precise time. And those conditions are subject to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
"Interesting" because monoclonal antibody treatment is expensive, not readily available to the public in all states....and the smarter/easier way to prevent getting infected or infecting others would be to fucking wear a mask! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Yes, the mask guidance changed after the Delta variant proved to be so much easier to transmit. And the guidance changed for children after so many kids started getting seriously ill, and filling up pediatric ICUs. Medical guidance is *supposed* to change as the science does. Don't forget this is a NEW virus never seen in humans before.
Also "Interesting" since Abbott talks about personal responsibility, then chooses to be irresponsible, and makes laws preventing others from acting responsibly. He'd rather take an IV cocktail remedy than wear a mask? :picard:
This is just getting hilarious! People would rather take pet dewormer than get vaccinated.
NOT Safe for People
How the fuck did these people make it this far in life?
That's not hilarious, it's sad and pathetic. :(
But these are the same people who might have tried hydroxychloroquine because Trump recommended it. And they get their medical advice from Facebook groups or Fox & Friends.
The FDA will reportedly give the Pfizer vaccine full approval/authorization on Monday. That's great news for the vaccine hold-outs who were waiting for that....but I have a hunch that several thousands will continue to refuse the vaccine, no matter what. And they'll also refuse to wear masks, calling it Medical Marxism, or other anti-factual nonsense.
Those people might be a minority, but they pose a danger to everyone else, and are just extending Covid's lifespan and mutation abilities. I'm angry and frustrated that they're holding the entire US population hostage because they have distorted ideas about Freeedom or Tyranny, and don't trust science or medical experts. We are so screwed. :mad:
What would it take for you to be convinced that they made a bad decision? What would it take for you to begin to distrust the CDC? Like if the weatherman told us there was a 90% chance of rain 20 days in a row and there wasn't rain in 20 days I'm not going to be putting any confidence in what he's saying but I'm curious as to what your threshold for the doubting of an establishment institution is for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
Well, if they start sounding like you, that would definitely rock any trust I had in them. What's interesting is that YOU were one of the people insisting that they were being too cautious in letting up on restrictions and lightening their advisories (in fact, I don't think there's been any stretch of time where you thought they were being permissive enough) and then when they did start going lighter because it looked like the vaccination program had made sufficient progress that the risks were reduced you didn't have anything bad to say. But when it became clear that the Delta variant still carried a high viral load in vaccinated people, something no one knew (since it wasn't around to test on during trials) and infections started spiking again leading to them making recommendations to slow and stop the spread of the disease again, suddenly you're howling once more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Their "mistake" here was they weren't cautious enough and YOUR objection to them is about them being too cautious. The direction matters. To the extent we should have less trust in them, it's in when they say it's ok to be less concerned and take less precautions. When the new mask guidelines are rescinded, we should probably keep the mask mandates. And we should definitely be restricting businesses more. Thank you for that suggestion Lewk.
https://www.click2houston.com/news/l...e-are-no-beds/
So, which party was about the death panels again?
We've been warned to expect at least a 2 hour wait this morning to get tested so my kid can return to school this week.
2021 update: one of the advisory board members is now on ACIP. So, that's encouraging.Quote:
Originally Posted by wiggin
I can't imagine what it would be like if I was sending my kids to school in a place like FL or TX.
Weird analogy. :donkey:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Yeah, there are people who don't "trust" the National Weather Service or NOAA when they issue severe weather watches & warnings for *increased risk* of flash floods, tropical storm winds, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. Those agencies have all the modern weather science tools, aggregate data -- and even a view from space -- to make really accurate *predictions*; but some people will still ignore (or even flaunt) local evacuation orders and hold storm parties. Since they've been thru plenty of storms and done just fine, the forecasters must be wrong. :rolleyes:
It's not just faulty risk analysis (to think you know better than the experts), but selfish. And disrespectful of first-responders and rescue teams who'll risk their own lives to save even the reckless, feckless, cowboys who don't give a damn about anything or anyone if it comes from an "establishment institution".
If folks are doubting experts *just because they're experts*, that "anti-establishment" bend is a flawed political decision, and not in their best self-interest. :donkey:
You live in an area with all sorts of "experts" where people appreciate and embrace "expertise" in medical, societal, and political ways. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by wiggin
I can't imagine how hard this must be for all the parents with young school-aged kids, let alone the medical professionals, hospital admins, and all the ancillary staff...who live in states with draconian anti-mask/anti-vaccine policies. :(
Should we make a separate thread for COVID Darwin Award nominations?
Police Captain Chooses Quick Death Rather than a Long Drawn Out Life
Unfortunately, he may have already contaminated the gene pool; article didn't say if he had children.
Three more nominees to add to this year's list for Darwin awards...
Who Could've Known?
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Originally Posted by Aimless
Idiocy but the judge was right to rule the way they did. The justiciable issue is that the hospital pharmacy was refusing to fill a valid prescription for a regular dosage of a drug that's FDA-approved for human use from a properly licensed physician. The problem here is that she found an irresponsible doctor that is promoting it as a course of treatment for Covid. Why is it these quacks keep settling on anti-parasitics for their snake oil?
Myrrh is an antiparasitic and I don't see quacks promoting that for Covid treatment. Maybe a clue?
Yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Being
No money in it.
I obviously don't know Ohio law, but my understanding had been that in many jurisdictions pharmacists do have some leeway to refuse to fill prescriptions for a variety of reasons (including a belief it will be harmful to the patient - e.g. opioids - or moral beliefs - e.g. contraception). So there may have been a legitimate argument against filling out the prescription. I suspect there's a much better argument in favor of revoking the doctor's license to practice medicine.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
Since when does a doctor who doesn't have admitting privileges to a hospital get to tell a hospital how to treat a patient?Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...253796898.html
God how I hate how dishonest my state's government has become.
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Originally Posted by wiggin
There is specific law for religious objections, I know. The patient being in intensive care carves away some of the discretion that might otherwise be afforded the pharmacist in other cases though. Because the patient isn't free to seek treatment elsewhere in the event of a conflict.
We've had pharmacists deny us prescriptions in the past for our pets because they were commonly abused by addicts. We even had trouble buying basic syringes. I stopped trying to fill them and had mom pick them up alone.
That's basically what Georgia did during the first wave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/n...-to-face-fines
Look at that small government work it's magic
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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
And I expect that's been substantially cheaper for you than getting a lawyer would have been
Bingo! Where the hell is the AMA, the American Board of Emergency Medicine, or any other professional medical guild that relies on *certification and licensure* to protect their reputation....and weed out the quacks?! Where's the JCAH in all this?Quote:
Originally Posted by wiggin
FFS, the lack of scientific data should be enough. What's next? Hospital pharmacists being required to dispense garlic and turmeric as cancer treatments, or Veterinarians getting admitting privileges? :picard:Quote:
It’s unclear why the hospital didn’t mount any defense under a new law passed in the state budget this summer that grants health care providers the “freedom to decline to perform” any service which violates their “conscience,” as informed by moral, ethical or religious beliefs.
Didn't think that ivermectin decision would stand: https://www.thedailybeast.com/ohio-j...-on-ventilator
Twitter Link
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I may disagree with the reversal of the Ohio decision but THAT . . . :eek: :mad:
Did you expect us to experiment on law abiding citizens? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
This is a very good interviewer. These are also incredibly dumb people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G10msObbLs&t=270s
around 4m30s in
She's done other very good interviews with the Evangelical Christian community, especially in the Southern Bible Belt, trying to understand why some people listen to pastors instead of physicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Did you catch the church sign "Except the Lord" misspelling in the background? :(
PS, The US if filled with stupid people! And it's not just relegated to the Bible Belt or southern states. In one of the wealthiest and highly educated suburbs of Philly, the Bucks County school board meeting (in my sister's district) devolved into a shouting match with physical threats. She was surprised that so many "well-educated parents" were fighting a mask mandate in schools, but I wasn't.
Even rich people can be infected by teh stupid, and disinformation from social media. That's our most dangerous virus....for which there's no clear treatment or cure. :(
UK hospitalizations still holding somewhat steady despite ongoing surge in case numbers. Children will be a big issue moving forward, I expect. Meanwhile, Swedish govt has been advised by the public health agency to lift what few restrictions there are by the end of the month, and the agency itself will no longer recommend wfh. Case numbers have been steadily rising in almost all age-groups except 20-29-y-olds—which I'm gonna guess reflects young adults' disinclination to get tested. Only people aged 16 and up will be eligible for vaccination. Regional authorites have varied considerably wrt the clownishness of their vaccination programmes, with some having found great success in vaccinating high-schoolers by just giving them an appointment, and others having found great success in failing to vaccinate people by making it difficult to secure an appointment. My region has fared well in comparison to pretty much all others—we have only 2 hospitalized patients, one of which is in ICU. We're all busy trying to work off the accumulated healthcare debt.
Ah no I missed that, do you remember how many minutes in it was?Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT
The County Health Department here has started issuing gift cards (with help from sponsors) at the walk-in centers as an incentive to get vaccinated.
At 6:55. The CNN banner obscures the rest of the sign, but pretty sure they meant to say "Accept the Lord".Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Since you mentioned accumulated healthcare debt....
(CNN) -- A new analysis published Tuesday estimates that preventable costs for treating hospitalized, unvaccinated Covid-19 patients reached $5.7 billion over the last three months.
This most recent data takes into account the surge in hospitalizations seen in August, which study authors estimate accounted for $3.7 billion of preventable spending alone.
The data analysis from the Kaiser Family Foundation found, using data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, as well as studies on health care costs, that each preventable Covid-19 hospitalization costs about $20,000.
According to KFF's analysis of data from the US Department of Health and Human Services and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the US saw 287,000 preventable Covid-19 hospitalizations from June to August.
The study authors used "preventable" hospitalizations to refer to hospitalizations of unvaccinated adults for Covid-19 treatment primarily, while accounting for any post-vaccination infections that would have been expected if this population had been vaccinated.
These numbers together yield a total of $5.7 billion spent on preventable hospitalizations over three months. The study authors said this number is likely a conservative estimate of costs.
"This ballpark figure is likely an understatement of the cost burden from preventable treatment of Covid-19 among unvaccinated adults," the authors said.
The study did not account for outpatient care costs, and some data indicates inpatient health care costs for Covid-19 treatment may be higher than the $20,000 figure used.
"Additionally, although breakthrough infections and hospitalizations are rare, unvaccinated people are also more likely to spread the virus to those who have taken measures to protect themselves and others, and those costs are not included in these estimates," the authors wrote.
The-CNN-Wire
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I know I go overboard once in a while but I feel the vax refusers are Typhoid Marys and should be locked up on secluded islands away from responsible people who do stuff like wash their hands after wiping their ass.
Those "secluded islands" will be underwater soon, so the anti-vaxxers will just be part of a weird group denouncing teh federal gummint while also demanding it protects their independence and FREEEEDOM. :confused: