http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-attacker.html
Texas, of course.
Printable View
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-attacker.html
Texas, of course.
Sounds pretty awful - almost feel like we are missing some part of the story though. Was the woman threatened/scared by the attacker and afraid to testify? Don't get me wrong I think jail and gen pop is absolutely retarded but I have a hard time believing they randomly decide to put her in jail to ensure she testifies for no reason. To be clear I'm *not* endorsing them putting her in jail I'm just questioning if there are additional facts in this story not yet reported.
It happens more often than people realize. A lot of rape and abuse cases fall apart because the victim can't/won't testify. Its technically contempt, and a few judges see only that and not the big picture.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...331-story.html
I'm more disturbed by how the US deals with psychiatric illness.
I would like to point out that the Daily Mail very often does this thing where they leave out information they think makes the story seem less outrageous. They are really not a good source of information.
Totally agreed, it's as bad as the Grauniad as a source.
It links to the original story: http://www.click2houston.com/news/ra...-witness-stand
This is what happens when you try to classify everything as a mental illness. Alcohlism? Mental illness. Video game addiction? Mental illness. High sex drive? Mental illness. Get bored easily? Mental illness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
http://www.newsweek.com/nearly-1-5-a...ch-year-230608
Yes 1/5 people are crazy. When you bandy words about you make it harder to help cases of REAL mental illness because everyone assumes when you say mental illness you mean shit that effects over 20% of the population.
Do you even know what the fuck bipolar disorder is? Have you even for a moment tried to think about what kind of an impact rape and strangulation may have on a person, esp one with psychiatric problems? Am I having this conversation with an educated human being in 2016 or a literal horse's ass communicating with us from the 18th century? I know that the latter should be impossible because we can't communicate with the past and equine derrieres can't type, yet the evidence to the contrary is strikingly persuasive at the moment.
Problem over here is that it is so easy to get a lazy doctor to sign you off as "depressed" or some other bullshit* in order to get off work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
* Depression is a real illness and chemical imbalance before anyone jumps down my throat, doesn't mean many people don't get signed off with depression who don't have any imbalance and aren't really depressed.
Do you understand what I'm getting at? I'm not saying she was treated appropriately, I'm saying that the door opens up to treating *real* mental illness like this when we make EVERYTHING a mental illness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Which is a completely nonsensical as well as unfounded claim.
Yes it's only more than one in five, not one in one, that have a so-called mental illness.
It is pretty logical when you think about it. We are at the a point that any non-normative behavior is considered a mental illness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Is it though? Apart from your gut telling you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
I won't disagree that we (as in our society) seems overzealous at branding everything as a disorder, but that's not the same as an illness (ADD etc. spring to mind). But when I had an actual psychological issue that caused (fairly big) problems for me at that time, I had to be referred by my GP, and then a whole intake at a psychologist that determined I had a fairly light disorder, so it doesn't seem that easy to get diagnosed with a serious mental illness. But yeah, I admit, that's purely anecdotal.
Now we can add inaccurate or downright false to nonsensical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Wow someone is moody. I bet if you go to a GP you can get meds for your 'mental illness.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aimless
Aimless is right, though....the US does NOT deal with psychiatric illness very well. Not for victims of violence, not in our court system, and not even for military vets or police forces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
Some of that is because people like you, Lewk, think you can recognize illness/disease/disorder better than a physician can. And you perpetuate myths and stigmas, because that fits better in your ideology that will power and character can overcome just about everything. :rolleyes:
Please, keep demonstrating your ignorance about this subject in addition to your poor grasp on "logic".Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewkowski
You can get antidepressants (mild ones) like candy here.
Please provide a clear and reliable source so that we can a discussion about specifics.
I have lots of real life anecdotal evidence.
Funnily enough "I prescribed a mild antidepressant to someone who didn't need it" is rather hard to measure objectively.
Okay how easy is it to get candy in the UK?
Very easy. Though you do know that's an expression don't you?
okay so in quantitative terms how easy is it to get an inappropriate treatment for psychiatric problems in the UK and how is that related to the way your justice system treats people with psychiatric problems?
I believe it is very easy to get inappropriate treatment for psychiatric problems (and non-problems). I think the justice system tries to treat people with psychiatric problems well but can often fail them.
Part of the problem is a bit of a can-kicking taking the easy route mentality can develop. Treating problems properly is difficult, proscribing some pills is easy.
Take a stab at it, we seem to be doing pretty good when it comes to measuring the over diagnosis of ADHDQuote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Well, when I had my problems my psychologist specifically did not want to give medication but therapy (as did I by the way). She said those are only for bad cases when therapy didn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
Are we? All evidence I've read (including on the NHS website) reports it as a very contentious issue.
Incidentally I view this quite differently than Lewk I think. Lewk seems to solely be arguing that issues are over diagnosed. I'd go further and say that we both over-diagnose those who are OK, but under-treat those who are seriously ill. Treatment is not very good for everyone who does need it. So we have two opposite extremes of people being given mild pills they probably don't need and people not getting treatment they desperately do need.
That's good! That's the way I think it should be. If only everyone was treated as well as you were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flixy
We have the same over/under diagnosis and over/under treatment problem in the US. And not just for psych issues, but also for things like post-op pain and chronic pain that results in over-prescribing powerful narcotics....that can become opiate dependency, and sometimes heroin use. Since there's overlapping 'failure' between your NHS and our mixed private/public healthcare, it's hard to lay blame on any one medical delivery or payment system.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandBlade
But that doesn't stop Lewk from conflating issues, or contorting them to fit his ideology! According to him, any time criminal behavior is attributed to a medical malady, and gets a reduced or alternative sentence in court....it's because lib'ruls have made us soft on crime, or some such thing. :rolleyes:
If a low IQ adult commits a crime, but can't be held legally responsible like other adults, he blames medical doctors and IQ tests. If a mentally ill person commits a crime during a hallucination, and doesn't know right from wrong, he blames psychiatrists when the court sentences them to serve time in a hospital setting instead of a prison.
Hey, Lewk, what do you think about John Hinkley being released? Has he served enough time, and gotten the treatment he needed to NOT be a threat to the community at large....or would you have FRIED him years ago?