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This is my favorite new Brexit Twitter :haha:
I'd vote for that.
Perhaps. May be better to be inside the tent pissing in ...
You know that's not going to happen.
The UK pissing around isn't going to happen? Even you must acknowledge its the only thing we can rely upon happening.
No.
You think there will be a stage where we're not pissing about?
Appreciate your reply (hope you don't mind my edits). The 80's was the Reagan/Thatcher era, where all sorts of policies were being revamped to encourage market-based *global* trade. The whole world was evolving and changing; it wasn't just the UK moving to the right in the name of freeee trade capitalism ya know ;) Many "social" policies and Union demands were on the chopping block. (Interesting to note that even Thatcher believed in "socialized medicine" and a NHS tho.)
Maybe it's not a good comparison, but Brexit seemed to me like a 'sick man of the US' (mostly southern states with large rural populations) wanting to take advantage of our collective federal powers, which attracts trade and business, while at the same time denouncing it. State's rights and all that, some even wanting to secede from the Union. It just doesn't make sense to leave the thing that helped you succeed. :confused:
Treaties and Trade deals can morph into unwieldy behemoths of concentrated power, sure. I'm just not convinced that leaving them is the right way to have a greater voice, especially when it comes to issues surrounding migration/immigration. :noob:Quote:
Not for me no but for others yes it <immigration> was a tipping point.
The Lisbon Treaty was a major tipping point for a lot of people too.
Cameron's failed renegotiation was the tipping point for me.
The main reason why I want to see Brexit happen is that I am sick and tired of the poisonous debate in the UK about the EU making any sensible adjustment impossible. Randblade with his side are annoying because of the pie in the sky solutions they believe in, the other side though is even worse because they have the same whiny attitude about the EU needing 'reform' but not having even as much as the airheaded 'solutions' of their counterparts.
I agree with you on this whole thing being reminiscent of the way the southern states detest the Union, yet totally depend on it for their survival.
Apparently Leave.EU are not entirely honest.
https://www.channel4.com/news/reveal...igrant-footage
I am shocked.
"Technological solutions":
https://news.sky.com/story/technolog...ument-11696337
Highlights: https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/st...48345042214912
What ridiculous scaremongering. Like a real solution would be underpinned by blockchain etc? :haha:
Hilariously, the blockchain element of these proposals may end up being the only part to have undergone real-world testing: https://www.ccn.com/samsung-sds-to-p...chain-in-korea
Sunlit uplands vs. the real world:
https://www.google.se/amp/s/amp.ft.c...2-d6ceb45fa9d0
They do. There are two main issues to resolve - phytosanitary [sp?] requirements and customs which is a tax.
For phytosanitary standards it makes sense to align these and then mutually-recognise these are the same. No sense diverging. Even the DUP and ERG have said this is sensible so this is moot.
Which just leaves customs, a tax. Which we should handle the same as every other tax that is different.
Fail to see the problem.
"Oh there's a risk of fraud, oh there's some fraud already" . . . yes. There is. So be it.
Nobody has or will devise a perfect solution that perfectly eliminates fraud and that perfectly has zero friction. Its about weighing the balance of risks. The fact we already manage to do this with most of the world is no reason we can't do it with the remaining part of the world. If there's fraud then punish the fraudsters, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater looking for a perfect solution. As the article says in both the EU system and the non-EU system there is already fraud, its already not perfect yet we survive.
Fraud is rampant and the UK is notorious for its failure to deal with fraud, both wrt VAT and tariffs. More importantly, however, imports of parcels from non-EU countries is substantially more inconvenient and more costly--even with dysfunctional UK authorities looking the other way--and the system responsible for handling those imports is already overburdened. This system does not have the capacity to adequately manage the current situation wrt trade with non-EU countries, and it is delusional to believe your infrastructure will have the capacity to handle a doubling of the burden when parcels from EU countries have to be processed in the same manner, even if private companies will shoulder much of the administrative burden (the costs of which will be passed on to consumers). These problems will be compounded by customs & RoO issues arising from a NDB. Differences in income taxes have little relevance to the issue of cross-border trade. How you currently handle differences in VAT in the context of trade with rEU as an EU member state has little relevance to the cross-border trade issues that will arise when you become a third country with no deal. How you deal with VAT, customs & RoO etc., in the context of trade with the rest of the world, is relevant to the issue of cross-border trade with EU27 in a NDB scenario, not as the positive and encouraging argument you tried to pass it off as, but, rather, as an indicator of just how spectacular this clusterfuck is likely to be.
The system does have the capacity to adequately manage the current situation since the current system is already managed adequately.
Yes fraud is rampant yet life goes on. Shit happens. So should be the solution with Ireland - open border, fraud may happen, if it does try and catch and punish the fraudsters. Peace continues.
Just as we do with those who commit VAT, Income, Corporation or other types of tax fraud across GB/N Ireland and the Republic already.
If you want a situation where there is zero capacity for fraud then you're not living in the real world and are setting up a situation where failure is the only outcome.
Yeah, but you voted for Brexit. And you are living in Lalaland for real if you think we're going to trust you with policing our trade.
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Changed again.
Looks like May will finally be forced to resign. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...sted-j2d6ks7zl
Hope so! Worst PM since Lord North.