I don't agree.
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I don't agree.
Good thing you're not a British negotiator.
British negotiator in action:
https://i.imgur.com/gxV1yZy.gif
It's unbelievable how you believe that De Pfeffel did any better.
He got rid of the backstop. You love to repeat that quite a lot don’t you? You still don’t understand that the part of the backstop that was taken out was exactly the part the EU didn’t like?
Your man went into a relatively simple negotiation and gave away something huge in return for nothing and you think that’s a good thing? After this joker ‘gets Brexit done’ you’re going to move from a place at the table to a place on the menu and you’ll learn what it means to be breakfast.
What I struggle with is how someone could be seeing this happening to his country and be cheering the people responsible for it on.
This sort of behaviour is being displayed by large numbers of people--mostly dudes--all over the Anglosphere. See eg. the US since shortly after the Brexit referendum :o
This is a prime example of how negotiations aren't zero sum. We didn't like the backstop, you didn't like the backstop but thought it was necessary - Boris found a solution that meant we got rid of the backstop we didn't want and you got rid of the bits you didn't want. Win, win for both parties.
Why would I associate myself in "we" with the DUP? I'm a Tory not DUP. Sure exclude them all you like, I don't care about them. I don't particularly like the DUP, they opposed the GFA itself too. I do like former Ulster Unionist Party Leader, Nobel Peace Prize Winner and Good Friday Agreement signatory Lord David Trimble who opposed the backstop but backs Boris's deal. The DUP can go whine from the sidelines unless they win a majority in Stormont in which case they can vote to end the special arrangements Boris negotiated.
The Conservative Party is a unionist party, in name at least. It gave up Northern Ireland for all intents and purposes. And all we had to do was accept a rule of consent that realistically can never be turned against us.
No it didn't. It gave devolution to Northern Ireland's Stormont Assembly, devolution has existed for a long time now.
What's your problem with devolution? I have none, what's your issue.
Fine. If the unionists don't have the numbers that's democracy. I'm cool with that.
So, you are fine with giving us NI. You're also fine with not getting anything in return for it?
If that's what the voters want - I always have been. I'm a democrat.
If the voters want to go completely then please take it, you'd be doing us a favour! No need to ask for anything just pick up the tab.
You are dodging the question.
No I'm not. How was "If that is what the voters want - I always have been" dodging the question?
If you want a one word answer then: Yes.
How can I possibly be clearer?
You're one of the voters. Which means that this is what you want.
Yes this deal is what I want, that's why I'm voting for the government to be re-elected. I'm happy with it.
But for the NI-specific protocol once this goes through its future wouldn't be determined in Westminster, or Brussels, but in Stormont where it belongs.
We de jure kept Northern Ireland and gave the Northern Irish the choice over what happens in the future to them. That's not a concession. Are you so undemocratic you think we should have denied them a choice if that's an option?
Who cares? What are you trying to prove? I couldn't care less, they can vote however they please its none of my business.
I'm not proving anything. Just pointing out your government has crap negotiation skills and/or zero leverage