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The photos of the boxes for kids that are circulating are even worse. What a fucking waste of money.
Indeed. I saw one example yesterday that totaled £5.22 for a £30 allowance.
The amounts people are getting seems to wildly differ, which perhaps isn't a surprise since this is organised by local Councils not central government. Some people are saying they've received very little, while others are replying to say they have received a lot - probably different Councils.
Plus there's no guarantee the Council is actually spending £30 on the box. They're simply obliged to provide food, there's no source or citation I've seen saying how much they've spent, it almost certainly isn't £30 at that amount. Hard to know without more information about which Council is providing what box and how much they're spending on it.
Difficult to blame councils for goods and services provided under no-bid govt. tenders.
I believe different Councils are using different vendors. Different Councils are certainly getting very different results.
Seems like the Tweet that went viral that gogo is referring to about £5.22 costing £30 is fake news. Supposedly came from Chartswell according to the Tweeter and supposedly cost £30 according to her, but no evidence for that and lots of people saying otherwise.
Then it turns out if you go to Chartswell's own website then at list price (no negotiations) this is what they provide:
https://www.chartwellscanhelp.com/
2 Week Food Hamper - costing £23
2 x 200g Block of cheese
14 x Portions of fresh fruit: 6 x apples, 4 x easy peel oranges and 4 x bananas
16 x Portions of vegetables: cucumber, carrots, baking potatoes, sweet potatoes, lettuce, tomato
1kg x Wholemeal penne pasta
4 x Chopped tomato tins
2 x Tuna chunks in brine
1 x Loaf of bread
9 x Healthy snacks
Rather different to the shabby £5 image, and costing £23 not £30.
That's not too bad for £23. Probably how much a Sainsbury's shop for those items would cost.
Might cost you a bit less if you went to Tesco or Aldi
And a bit more if you went to Waitrose or M&S :o
Fake news is bad, mmm'k.
I guess it's difficult to prove. Just because a website says what -should- happen doesn't mean that's what -will- happen.
Then again, looking at the original poster, she says she's "left wing", so you know what those trouble makers are like.
But looking at Marcus "problem for Boris" Rashford's timeline, there seems to be a lot of stark examples. Again, could be dangerous left wingers, or, like, Antifa, trying to implement socialism through the back door.
At least they're getting something though. That's good, and it's not money that parents can blow on drugs and brothels. As we do in the UK.
Shrug.
There are lots of examples, but who knows who provided them and how. This isn't centrally contracted it is down to local schools. A lot of these photos look like some amateur bungling something together - and only spending a couple of pounds per head.
This supposedly came from Chartwells but then Chartwells actual hamper is completely different and they have replied to say that doesn't meet their specification and could they get details on which school it was so they can investigate - but no public response to that.
Heck if you wanted to spend £30 per head then Morrisons provide this, including free delivery.
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Someone is screwing someone for sure. This issue is separate from but related to the one I initially posted about.
Someone is. I hope we find out who.
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Does anyone have access to a longer clip, with the question and the full answer? Because I'm having a hard time accepting that the PM is still this ignorant about NRPF.
NRPF should apply to all non-citizens.
Anyone who wants to come here and fund themselves to do so should be welcomed as far as I'm concerned. But they should do so without public funds.
Once someone has been here contributing to society for years they ought to be entitled to claim citizenship, get the right to vote and recourse to public funds.
My question is why the PM appears to be so uninformed.
Without seeing the full question and answer I couldn't guess.
It's impossible to know what he knows besides what he says. He's a bit of a bumbler isn't he?
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English media is so fucking weird
Source?
Imagine being shown up by Mike Pompeo of all people
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...r-commons-vote
Yes look who has been shown up by Pompeo: https://www.ft.com/content/2d759671-...3-7480990f0438
You've misunderstood the distinction of that vote. The principle debated in Parliament yesterday was not are the Chinese committing genocide, the question was who should be responsible for that. It has always been the case that the executive are responsible here, like Pompeo is.
The UK along with the USA, Canada, Australia and others have been criticising China over what we are seeing with the Uigher and Hong Kong. Shame others haven't joined us in that and have been shown up seeking to cosy up to them with new trade agreements instead. I'm sure you'd agree that is poor and shocking, right?
I presume your broken link goes to some article about the EU's pathetic failure to punish China for its genocidal campaign in Xinjiang, but I'm not sure why you'd view that as a great defense of the UK fighting so hard to fail in the same way.
https://www.ft.com/content/2d759671-...3-7480990f0438
This is the link. Disgusting, I'm sure you'll be condemning it any moment now, rather than trying to criticise the country that has actually been standing up to China. How do you feel about being shown up by Raab, Johnson, Trump, Morrison, Trudeau and Pompeo? :rolleyes:
I have indeed been condemning the EU's stance wrt China on this issue, just as I have previously condemned it for its complacency in the face of the genocide in Myanmar. I've done so on my social media accounts, but it hasn't come up here. You're welcome to start a thread on the issue, and I will happily condemn the EU, because it is clearly in the wrong as far as its stance on China is concerned. The UK can lead the way by forcefully responding to China's genocide in Xinjiang through economic punishments, but, as we can see, it has no desire to. The Chinese govt. doesn't give a rat's ass about the UK's disapproval; what matters are real measures.
EU has been very disappointing on this issue indeed, especially given the emphasis the EU generally puts on human rights. Good to see some countries are stepping up.
I wouldn't include Trump and Pompeo in the list though, considering they only took action in their last days (i.e. ko consequences for them), and Trump complimented Xi Jinpeng on how he was dealing with Uighurs. My newspaper's analysis even reckons it would have been better for them if this issue was left for the next administration, since Trump and Pompeo lost all credibility and can easily be dismissed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPDTYbozvjY
He forgot to say "what an excellent question" :o
Here's a question though - are UK politicians getting worse at answering questions or had it always been this bad? It seems easy to say it's always been like this, but I wonder whether some of the older members of the board might take a minute to ponder the question.
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LOL.
LSE has published a report on the cost to Scotland's economy were they too leave the UK - as reported by the Guardian.
Though Brexit is bad for Scotland economically as it is for the whole of the UK, Scotland leaving the UK and rejoining the EU would be considerably worse.
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Independence could cost Scotland's economy £11bn a year, forecast suggests
Economists say impact of leaving UK’s common market would hit two to three times as hard as leaving EU
Scotland’s economy would shrink by at least £11bn a year if it became independent, more than doubling the damaging impacts of Brexit, a team of economists has forecast.
The report from the London School of Economics and City University of Hong Kong found that quitting the UK’s common market would hit the Scottish economy two to three times as hard as leaving the EU, just counting the impact on trade alone.
Suggesting that the worst economic effects would take several decades to take hold, the LSE’s Centre for Economic Performance said the impacts on its trade with both the UK and the EU would shrink Scotland’s economy in the long run by between 6.3% and 8.7%.
That was equivalent to a loss of between £2,000 to £2,800 per capita a year: with Scotland’s population estimated to be nearly 5.5 million, that puts the losses at between £11bn and £15.4bn.
The Scottish government, which is currently wrestling with the near collapse of Scottish seafood exports to the EU because of post-Brexit customs controls, currently spends around £14bn on the NHS each year.
The authors stressed their analysis only covered the impacts of increasing trading costs, and excluded other economic or fiscal issues post-independence, such as cuts or increases in inward investment, changes in immigration, currency changes or tax changes.
While it would be slightly better for an independent Scotland to rejoin the EU compared with staying outside both it and the UK, it would be extremely hard for EU trade to make up for all the substantial losses in UK trade.
The UK is Scotland’s largest and most important trading partner, the report said, accounting for 61% of its exports and 67% of its imports – around four times greater than its trade with the EU. Independence would increase trading costs with the rest of the UK by 15% to 30%.
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