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07-07-2018, 06:52 AM
Lewkowski

Help Me Understand

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ce-hammer.html

"Piruz had been in the UK a matter of days when he launched the frenzied assault on the officers as they investigated a burglary in Crawley, West Sussex.

Days earlier he had assaulted a member of staff at Gatwick Airport – but was released onto the streets by local magistrates.

Piruz got into Britain despite being a convicted murderer in Holland. In June 2006, he murdered his Chinese female tenant by cutting off her head at a house in Almere, a city close to Amsterdam.

Court documents in Holland said he was ‘inspired by Taliban movies in which beheadings were seen’."

In 2006 he murdered a woman by cutting her head off and says he was inspired by the Taliban. Surely that means he's in prison for the rest of his life, right?

"Piruz was convicted of murder in August 2007 and sentenced to 12 years’ behind bars.

He was released in 2014, after serving seven years. As a permanent Dutch resident, the killer was allowed to travel freely across the EU."

What the flying fuck? This a sentence that only Khen could agree with. This guy MURDERS a woman by cutting her head off. And he serves 8 years in prison? Oh but hey he was rehabilitated right... no of course not. What the fuck Europe.
07-07-2018, 07:11 AM
RandBlade

Personally I think murderers should spend the rest of their life behind bars (unless new evidence shows they were wrongly convicted) as an alternative to the death penalty. Other Europeans here seem to think that is barbaric and murderers should be released, but I don't get that.
07-07-2018, 07:39 AM
Hazir

What is it that you don't understand here? That his sentence was way too short? Because, that indeed appears to be the case. Though I doubt the Daily Mail had an easy time digging up the information surrounding this situation. Also, the newspaper gets some facts wrong; if this guy is merely a 'permanent resident' (equivalent to a Green Card holder) then he has no 'free access' to the UK on that basis. The UK is one of the few countries that opted out of that particular rule. That means the UK representation in the Netherlands didn't properly screen him before issuing a visa. What I find funny is that this article is kind of whiny about too little sharing of information between EU memberstates. After Brexit one can only expect the willingness to share information will decline significantly. So Brexit would make it easier for these types to get into the UK rather than harder.

A factual problem with the article is that there is no murder in the city of Almere in 2006 that fits the description.

The only manslaughter/murder case in Almere in 2006 is the stabbing in the street of 16 year old Curtis Schenker.
07-07-2018, 07:42 AM
Timbuk2

The issue here seems to be more with the parole board that released him rather than the initial sentence, although that too seemed unduly lenient.
07-07-2018, 07:49 AM
Hazir

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbuk2

The issue here seems to be more with the parole board that released him rather than the initial sentence, although that too seemed unduly lenient.

From the top of my head, 18 years was the maximum time limited sentence, after 2/3 of that time served release is still a near certainty. The alternative for the maximum time limited sentence was/is life in prison.

Sentencing has become significantly harder recently.
07-07-2018, 08:28 AM
RandBlade

The default for taking another person's life should be a whole life sentence. Anything less than that should be exceptional and not the rule.
07-07-2018, 03:24 PM
Hazir

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandBlade

The default for taking another person's life should be a whole life sentence. Anything less than that should be exceptional and not the rule.

Well, it's 30 now for lighter cases, and life in prison for the rest. So that fixes your problem.
07-07-2018, 03:57 PM
Khendraja'aro

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandBlade

The default for taking another person's life should be a whole life sentence. Anything less than that should be exceptional and not the rule.

So I shoot someone in self-defense and get a life sentence?
07-07-2018, 06:12 PM
Timbuk2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro

So I shoot someone in self-defense and get a life sentence?

Rand i'm sure is referring to murder. Self-defense is not.
07-07-2018, 07:03 PM
RandBlade

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazir

Well, it's 30 now for lighter cases, and life in prison for the rest. So that fixes your problem.

Indeed it does, much improved well done!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro

So I shoot someone in self-defense and get a life sentence?

No if it's self defence then that quite clearly falls under exceptional. Did this murderer decapitate someone in self defence or are you just engaging in absurd whatabouterism?
07-07-2018, 08:34 PM
Hazir

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandBlade

Indeed it does, much improved well done!

No if it's self defence then that quite clearly falls under exceptional. Did this murderer decapitate someone in self defence or are you just engaging in absurd whatabouterism?

Well, that particular question remains open.
07-07-2018, 08:47 PM
RandBlade

I'd be curious the sequence of events that leads up to a self defence decapitation.

Highlander excluded.
07-07-2018, 09:04 PM
Hazir

The murder took place in 2006 in Almere, the only case of manslaughter/murder in Almere in 2006 was a stabbing of a 16 y.o. boy.
07-08-2018, 04:08 AM
Lewkowski

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazir

The murder took place in 2006 in Almere, the only case of manslaughter/murder in Almere in 2006 was a stabbing of a 16 y.o. boy.

You know multiple news outlets have reported this story, not sure what your foil hat thought you have right now is.
07-08-2018, 04:36 AM
GGT

Really bad title, Lewk. :donkey: You don't want help understanding anything when you've already made up your mind to "fry 'em", huh :donkey:
07-08-2018, 05:12 AM
Lewkowski

Quote:

Originally Posted by GGT

Really bad title, Lewk. :donkey: You don't want help understanding anything when you've already made up your mind to "fry 'em", huh :donkey:

Sure but even people who are diametrically opposed to me should realize less than 10 years time served for decapitating a woman is absolutely insane.
07-08-2018, 08:45 AM
Flixy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazir

The murder took place in 2006 in Almere, the only case of manslaughter/murder in Almere in 2006 was a stabbing of a 16 y.o. boy.

https://uitspraken.rechtspraak.nl/in...LY:2007:BB2616
07-08-2018, 09:27 AM
Hazir

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lewkowski

You know multiple news outlets have reported this story, not sure what your foil hat thought you have right now is.

I have very little trust in British media reporting on anything and even less so on them reporting on events happening in the Netherlands. And then you were quoting the daily fail. But Flixy fixed the problem by posting the ruling. To me the sentence seems exceedingly lenient.
07-08-2018, 09:29 AM
Hazir

FYI I don't have moral objections against capital punishment.
07-09-2018, 05:08 AM
Lewkowski

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazir

FYI I don't have moral objections against capital punishment.

Honestly while I think the DP has its uses I'd be OK with this guy being in prison for life without the possibility of parole. "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." And so far it seems like I was right, the only person on this board who would be OK with that prison sentence is Khen.