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  1. Thread: Zionuts

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    Yeah, I don't have time to argue this. But I...

    Yeah, I don't have time to argue this. But I think your definition of success is not congruent with Israel's. The author appropriately highlighted the urgency with which Israel should be planning for...
  2. Thread: Zionuts

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    Not sure that's actually what he said.

    Not sure that's actually what he said.
  3. Thread: Zionuts

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    Goals of the war are fairly self-evident given...

    Goals of the war are fairly self-evident given the strategic situation; if Hamas maintains control over Gaza, the strategic situation will be unchanged. Deterrence and bribery are clearly unworkable....
  4. Thread: Zionuts

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    I have not seen this reported outside of JPost...

    I have not seen this reported outside of JPost (though I'll admit I didn't look too hard, it might be buried somewhere in the Hebrew language media). I would not trust JPost reporting, they're really...
  5. Thread: Zionuts

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    The numbers in Gaza don't distinguish between...

    The numbers in Gaza don't distinguish between civilians killed by Israel and civilians killed by Hamas and PIJ either. We know at least hundreds (possibly thousands) of the dead are because of rocket...
  6. Thread: Zionuts

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    Mosul is a far better example than Fallujah, and...

    Mosul is a far better example than Fallujah, and even that is flawed. Civilians in both places had a non-urban environment to leave to - even with the attempts to move civilians around the war zone,...
  7. Thread: Zionuts

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    I think the Taliban are a really bad comparator....

    I think the Taliban are a really bad comparator. The reason the Taliban were able to waltz back in were basically twofold: first, there was a hinterland that the US did not even attempt to seriously...
  8. Thread: Zionuts

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    Loki, I don't deny that this will be very...

    Loki, I don't deny that this will be very challenging. But I think the cases of IS and AQ are actually quite instructive, because neither of them is a perfect match for the situation here, but both...
  9. Thread: Zionuts

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    While I don't trust the overall casualty numbers...

    While I don't trust the overall casualty numbers in Gaza (and certainly don't assign all of those casualties as noncombatants killed by Israel), I think the order of magnitude is believable. There's...
  10. Thread: Zionuts

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    Seriously Loki that's a shit source and you know...

    Seriously Loki that's a shit source and you know it. Anyone who claims to know how many fighters have been killed is lying. There's evidence of about 1000-1500 killed in Israel proper, but it's...
  11. Thread: Zionuts

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    I am not a citizen of Israel, so that is...

    I am not a citizen of Israel, so that is unlikely. I am also not a member of Hamas, Hezbollah, PIJ, the Houthi regime, or the IRGC. Nor am I a member of the United States military.

    I have,...
  12. Thread: Zionuts

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    Honestly I think healthy skepticism was the...

    Honestly I think healthy skepticism was the appropriate response in the first hour or two after the explosion. Israel didn't immediately deny it was theirs (which was responsible) and given the...
  13. Thread: Zionuts

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    Loki, it appears that settlers have murdered on...

    Loki, it appears that settlers have murdered on the order of five Palestinians. This is wrong and they should be imprisoned. Personally I think Esh Kodesh should be dismantled as well, but I feel...
  14. Thread: Zionuts

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    That's not the alternative, Loki. There is time...

    That's not the alternative, Loki. There is time before you get anywhere near starvation in Gaza, and the situation on the ground will change long before that. I have been clear multiple times that I...
  15. Thread: Zionuts

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    I'm not saying we should ignore them, but we...

    I'm not saying we should ignore them, but we shouldn't assume that political hyperbole is meant to be taken literally or will be taken literally based on Israel's longstanding practice and cultural...
  16. Thread: Zionuts

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    Do the Russian armed forces have a well...

    Do the Russian armed forces have a well documented history of taking prisoners and providing them with medical care?

    (I'm afraid your link seems to be useless, not sure specifically which...
  17. Thread: Zionuts

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    You know what, Hazir? If we see widespread...

    You know what, Hazir? If we see widespread killing of captives because of this 'order' that's obviously a colloquialism I'll acknowledge your point. Until then, I will assume that Israel will...
  18. Thread: Zionuts

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    Where do you see they have committed to a no...

    Where do you see they have committed to a no quarter principle? There's been harsh rhetoric, but Israeli forces have taken Hamas prisoners. The large number of Hamas casualties (2000?) are because...
  19. Thread: Zionuts

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    Loki, Gazans will not starve to death. Food...

    Loki, Gazans will not starve to death. Food shipments have previously been interrupted due to Hamas attacks on crossing points and they muddled through. I think it's wrong for them to make it policy,...
  20. Thread: Zionuts

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    I think this is going to be the fundamental...

    I think this is going to be the fundamental issue. I heard Ehud Olmert interviewed by the BBC this morning (why they'd interview him was beyond me, but nonetheless). He spent much of the interview...
  21. Thread: Zionuts

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    Israel knows an invasion of Gaza will be bloody,...

    Israel knows an invasion of Gaza will be bloody, that's why they've avoided it for nearly two decades. But if he honestly thinks this kind of rhetoric will be effective, he's wildly mistaken. That's...
  22. Thread: Zionuts

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    Oh I don't really believe any of it. Any...

    Oh I don't really believe any of it. Any relationship with the truth is likely accidental. But why he would think this would help Hamas... is very puzzling. I particularly liked the part where he...
  23. Thread: Zionuts

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    There are pictures and videos of Hamas prisoners....

    There are pictures and videos of Hamas prisoners. One particularly awful video from an interrogation where the terrorist admitted he planned to rape Israeli women.

    It's certainly possible - even...
  24. Thread: Zionuts

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    I honestly didn't believe this was real initially...

    I honestly didn't believe this was real initially because it seemed like Israeli propaganda:...
  25. Thread: Zionuts

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    It comes and goes. But I'll never sign up for...

    It comes and goes. But I'll never sign up for Twitter, and occasionally it's hard to find specific embedded videos elsewhere.
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