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    http://www.newsweek.com/id/234590

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    The relative decline of American education at the elementary- and high-school levels has long been a national embarrassment as well as a threat to the nation's future. Once upon a time, American students tested better than any other students in the world. Now, ranked against European schoolchildren, America does about as well as Lithuania, behind at least 10 other nations. Within the United States, the achievement gap between white students and poor and minority students stubbornly persists—and as the population of disadvantaged students grows, overall scores continue to sag.

    For much of this time—roughly the last half century—professional educators believed that if they could only find the right pedagogy, the right method of instruction, all would be well. They tried New Math, open classrooms, Whole Language—but nothing seemed to achieve significant or lasting improvements.

    Yet in recent years researchers have discovered something that may seem obvious, but for many reasons was overlooked or denied. What really makes a difference, what matters more than the class size or the textbook, the teaching method or the technology, or even the curriculum, is the quality of the teacher. Much of the ability to teach is innate—an ability to inspire young minds as well as control unruly classrooms that some people instinctively possess (and some people definitely do not). Teaching can be taught, to some degree, but not the way many graduate schools of education do it, with a lot of insipid or marginally relevant theorizing and pedagogy. In any case the research shows that within about five years, you can generally tell who is a good teacher and who is not.

    It is also true and unfortunate that often the weakest teachers are relegated to teaching the neediest students, poor minority kids in inner-city schools. For these children, teachers can be make or break. "The research shows that kids who have two, three, four strong teachers in a row will eventually excel, no matter what their background, while kids who have even two weak teachers in a row will never recover," says Kati Haycock of the Education Trust and coauthor of the 2006 study "Teaching Inequality: How Poor and Minority Students Are Shortchanged on Teacher Quality."

    Nothing, then, is more important than hiring good teachers and firing bad ones. But here is the rub. Although many teachers are caring and selfless, teaching in public schools has not always attracted the best and the brightest. There once was a time when teaching (along with nursing) was one of the few jobs not denied to women and minorities. But with social progress, many talented women and minorities chose other and more highly compensated fields. One recent review of the evidence by McKinsey & Co., the management consulting firm, showed that most schoolteachers are recruited from the bottom third of college-bound high-school students. (Finland takes the top 10 percent.)

    At the same time, the teachers' unions have become more and more powerful. In most states, after two or three years, teachers are given lifetime tenure. It is almost impossible to fire them. In New York City in 2008, three out of 30,000 tenured teachers were dismissed for cause. The statistics are just as eye-popping in other cities. The percentage of teachers dismissed for poor performance in Chicago between 2005 and 2008 (the most recent figures available) was 0.1 percent. In Akron, Ohio, zero percent. In Toledo, 0.01 percent. In Denver, zero percent. In no other socially significant profession are the workers so insulated from accountability. The responsibility does not just fall on the unions. Many principals don't even try to weed out the poor performers (or they transfer them to other schools in what's been dubbed the "dance of the lemons"). Year after year, about 99 percent of all teachers in the United States are rated "satisfactory" by their school systems; firing a teacher invites a costly court battle with the local union.

    Over time, inner-city schools, in particular, succumbed to a defeatist mindset. The problem is not the teachers, went the thinking—it's the parents (or absence of parents); it's society with all its distractions and pathologies; it's the kids themselves. Not much can be done, really, except to keep the assembly line moving through "social promotion," regardless of academic performance, and hope the students graduate (only about 60 percent of blacks and Hispanics finish high school). Or so went the conventional wisdom in school superintendents' offices from Newark to L.A. By 1992, "there was such a dramatic achievement gap in the United States, far larger than in other countries, between socioeconomic classes and races," says Kate Walsh, president of the National Council on Teacher Quality. "It was a scandal of monumental proportions, that there were two distinct school systems in the U.S., one for the middle class and one for the poor."

    In the past two decades, some schools have sprung up that defy and refute what former president George W. Bush memorably called "the soft bigotry of low expectations." Generally operating outside of school bureaucracies as charter schools, programs like KIPP (Knowledge Is Power Program) have produced inner-city schools with high graduation rates (85 percent). KIPP schools don't cherry-pick—they take anyone who will sign a contract to play by the rules, which require some parental involvement. And they are not one-shot wonders. There are now 82 KIPP schools in 19 states and the District of Columbia, and, routinely, they far outperform the local public schools. KIPP schools are mercifully free of red tape and bureaucratic rules (their motto is "Work hard. Be nice," which about sums up the classroom requirements). KIPP schools require longer school days and a longer school year, but their greatest advantage is better teaching.

    It takes a certain kind of teacher to succeed at a KIPP school or at other successful charter programs, like YES Prep. KIPP teachers carry cell phones so students can call them at any time. The dedication required makes for high burnout rates. It may be that teaching in an inner-city school is a little like going into the Special Forces in the military, a calling for only the chosen few.

    Yet those few are multiplying. About 20 years ago, a Princeton senior named Wendy Kopp wrote her senior thesis proposing an organization to draw graduates from elite schools into teaching poor kids. Her idea was to hire them for just a couple of years, and then let them move on to Wall Street or wherever. Today, Teach for America sends about 4,100 grads, many from Ivy League colleges, into inner-city schools every year. Some (about 8 percent) can't hack it, but most (about 61 percent) stay in teaching after their demanding two-year tours. Two thirds of TFA's 17,000 alumni are still involved in education and have become the core of a reform movement that is having real impact. The founders of KIPP, Mike Feinberg and Dave Levin, are TFA products. So is the most aggressive reformer in education today, Michelle Rhee, the education chancellor of the District of Columbia, who is trying to loosen the hold of the teachers' union on a school system that for years had the highest costs and worst results in the nation. (See following story.)

    It is difficult to dislodge the educational establishment. In New Orleans, a hurricane was required: since Katrina, New Orleans has made more educational progress than any other city, largely because the public-school system was wiped out. Using nonunion charter schools, New Orleans has been able to measure teacher performance in ways that the teachers' unions have long and bitterly resisted. Under a new Louisiana law, New Orleans can track which ed schools produce the best teachers, forcing long-needed changes in ed-school curricula. (The school system of Detroit is just as broken as New Orleans's was before the storm—but stuck with largely the same administrators, the same unions, and the same number of kids, and it has been unable to make any progress.)

    The teachers' unions—the National Education Association (3.2 million members) and the American Federation of Teachers (1.4 million members) are major players in the Democratic Party at the national and local levels. So it is extremely significant—a sign of the changing times—that the Obama administration has taken them on. Education Secretary Arne Duncan is dangling money as an incentive for state legislatures to weaken the grip of the teachers' unions. To compete for $4.3 billion in federal aid under the Race to the Top program, states get extra points for getting rid of caps on the number of charter schools (a union favorite, since charter schools are often nonunion) and allowing student scores to be used in teacher evaluations. Measuring teacher performance based in part on the test scores of their pupils would seem to be a no-brainer. New Orleans uses student scores to measure teacher effectiveness. But it's prohibited by law for tenure decisions in states like New York, where the teachers' union has long been powerful.

    It will take a quiet revolution to improve American schools. Some educational experts have noticed an uptick in the academic quality of new teachers, at least at the high-school level, possibly because the recession has limited other job opportunities. One of the unions, the AFT under Randi Weingarten, seems to realize that sheer obstructionism won't work. "One of the most hopeful things I've seen is that the union people don't want to spend so much time defending the not-so-good teachers anymore. I think the pressure of accountability is paying off," says Haycock of the Education Trust. "They know they will be held responsible if they are defending teachers who aren't any good."

    Some teachers resent the reform movement as a bunch of elitists denigrating loyal and hardworking teachers—of whom, of course, there are many. But others welcome a boost in status that would come with higher standards. "You know, the Marine Corps never has any problem meeting its enlistment goals, because it's an elite corps, and people want to be part of something that is seen as the best," says Daniel Weisberg, general counsel of The New Teacher Project and coauthor of "The Widget Effect," a critique of teacher-evaluation programs. In Europe, where teachers enjoy more social prestige and higher salaries, schools have no trouble attracting new teachers with strong academic records.

    Before the American public--education system can regain its lost crown as the envy of the world, local politicians and school administrators will have to step up. At Central Falls High School in Rhode Island, half the students drop out of school, and proficiency in math measured by state exams stands at a pitiful 7 percent among 11th graders. Under state pressure, the local superintendent, Frances Gallo, tried to improve scores by requiring teachers to work 25 minutes longer each a day, eat lunch with students once a week, and agree to be evaluated by a third party. The teachers, who make about $75,000 a year, far more than average in this depressed town, balked. They wanted another $90 an hour. So Gallo took a brave and astonishing step: she recommended firing all 74 teachers. Her boldness was praised by Education Secretary Duncan—and supported by President Obama. The teachers' union initially squawked that everyone was unfairly "blaming the teachers," but then last week backed off under a storm of media pressure and accepted the new rules requiring teachers to spend more time with the students.

    The Central Falls High story was a notable breakthrough, but there is a long way to go. The media are beginning to root out the more outrageous examples: last year the Los Angeles Times ran a long series documenting the unwillingness of the education bureaucracy to fire bad teachers (like the one who told a student who attempted suicide to "carve deeper next time" and another who kept a stash of pornography and cocaine at school; both are still teaching). The Indianapolis Star reported how Lawrence Township schools had quietly laid off—with generous cash settlements and secrecy agreements—a teacher accused of sexually assaulting a student; another accused of touching students and taking photos of female students; another accused of kissing a high-school student; and a fourth with a 20-year history of complaints about injuring and harassing students, including a 1992 rape allegation. At the time the story ran last summer, all four teachers still held active teaching licenses. While these horror stories are sensational, what's also disturbing is the immunity enjoyed by the thousands of teachers who let down their students in more ordinary ways. Many more teachers are overworked, underpaid, and underappreciated. Maybe they'd get more respect if the truly bad teachers were let go.

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    I really can not agree more. Teachers and their unions ARE the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Once upon a time, American students tested better than any other students in the world.
    Is this true?

    While these horror stories are sensational, what's also disturbing is the immunity enjoyed by the thousands of teachers who let down their students in more ordinary ways. Many more teachers are overworked, underpaid, and underappreciated. Maybe they'd get more respect if the truly bad teachers were let go.
    I really can not agree more. Teachers and their unions ARE the problem.
    Not the lack of teachers? Bigger playing field makes for better competition, right? That's the principle of free markets isn't it? I agree that bad teachers will have to go, but they will have to be replaced. And when they can't be replaced, what then? Bigger classes, less attention per pupil. I'm not sure how that will raise standards. How is this: " teachers are overworked, underpaid, and underappreciated" solved by firing teachers? And do you notice "underappreciated" Mr. All Teachers Are Ivory Tower Liberal Brainwashing Elitists? What I think is the problem is the disdain many of your countrymen seem to have against people who have enjoyed an education or are educators. Even the nominator "intellectual" has gotten a bad rep. What kind of society would look down on intellectuals?

    Being a teacher is not a popular job. That has to change.
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    Nah, Ziggy. Teachers aren't overworked, underpaid, or underappreciated. They are mis-worked, mis-paid, and mis-appreciated -- the good teachers and bad teachers get the same pay, same work load, and sometimes same appreciation by the public in the eye of a failing school. Teacher's unions have let down the country the same way that Soviet Union equal wages programs have let down the Soviet Union. In an environment where profit is not the goal, effort and quality of work must be rewarded by the system.

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    Ziggy, you are missing something very essential; once a teacher has got 'tenure' it becomes near impossible to fire that teacher. It doesn't matter if he does a good or a bad job or reads penthouse during school hours, they are employed and will stay employed untill the end of days. Part of the reason why teaching isn't a popular job has got to do with that as well.
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    I know. And I agree with both of you that it isn't the right way to go. But it takes a little more than just getting rid of tenure, there also needs to be a mentality change imo. Whether this mentality was caused by the unions or not.
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    Formalized tenure isn't that common in primary/secondary education, is it? It's more in higher education that it happens, and we actually don't really have a problem with our colleges.

    Not that I'm disagreeing that the Teacher's unions are a big part of the problem. They cause a sort of de facto tenure, make it extremely difficult to impossible to fire bad teachers or pay good teachers more, fight changes of all types, and in generally they're just a roadblock to any sort of improvement in the school system. IIRC, US teachers are better paid relative to the general population than teachers in most if not all of the countries that do better than us in the scores (quick search gave this). I'm not saying that paying teachers well is a problem, just that not paying them well enough probably isn't the problem. A bigger problem is the difficulty that the union causes in paying the good teachers more than bad teachers who've been around the same amount of time.

    Nice to hear the conclusion of the Central Falls High School thing. Lolli won't be pleased.

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    Paygrade / tenure / whatever is not the problem, not at all. It has to begin very much sooner.

    To get good education, you need a multi-pronged approach. First of all, teachers, parents and politicians have to work together instead of being indifferent or even hostile towards each other. I'm seeing that in Germany too, where politicians routinely bash teachers and some parents couldn't care less about what the teacher recommends.
    Teacher bashing results in an atmosphere where either only the most determined and idealistic want to become teachers - or those who are out for the money/tenure.

    Secondly, letting everyone who wants to become a teacher is not a good idea as well. Some people are simply not fit to teach children - Finland has a special test before you may begin your time at university. I know from my time at university that I was able to figure out unfit persons quite quickly. For instance, one person admitted to me that she was afraid to speak before large crowds...
    However, such a test only works if you have a large enough sample to choose from, which works in conjunction with my former argument - being a teacher has to become prestigious again.

    Thirdly, you have to invest money into schools instead of reducing it. Reducing money for sub-par schools is the wrong signal, because the people who are most hurt by this are the children - who are already struggling. Investment into schools is a long-term struggle and you should view every child as important.
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    I think tenure -- or at least the inability to get fired -- is a huge issue. Agamemnus has it right -- they are mis-worked, mis-paid and not working in a functional system.

    I became very hardcore about this when I dated a public school teacher for a while. The stories of waste, incompetence, harassment, misallocation, etc. were simply horrific. I went to a formal dinner all the teachers had and talked to a number of them who were clearly just not even articulate about anything besides some union slogans about how they were helping kids. But it doesn't take long with a person before you realize if they are particularly intelligent. One guy was very open about how we had a "wonderful" system because after 30 years it allowed him to make $140,000/year to teach ad-hoc reading classes and monitor recess and would give him a pension for life.

    My ex-girlfriend's school was put into a "failing" category when I first met her. By the next school year, it was "rapidly progressing" with no real change and every teacher got $2000. My ex-girlfriend couldn't figure out how they fudged the numbers, but she enjoyed her check and just went with it as she decided how long she wanted to be there.

    In many urban systems in the US, it really is broken like a Yugo plant.

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    I'm rather uninformed on the issue, but doesn't also No Child Left Behind only give funds to schools that actually perform well, leading to well-funded (or at least better) "white/middle class" schools and underfunded inter-city schools usually stocked with minorities?

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    Cosidering Florida's NCLBA required testing started today, I was going to bring that up; but Coinich already nailed it.

    Bad teachers suck.
    Bad parents suck.
    The pay sucks.
    The expected work load sucks.
    The union sucks.

    But that list can be glassed over by a good passionate teacher. What they can't ignore is that everyone has to teach to a test now, they don't teach to a subject, or a student's wants/needs, or even current events. They teach to a test, because the test is the money.
    Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 03-09-2010 at 08:04 PM.

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    And do you notice "underappreciated" Mr. All Teachers Are Ivory Tower Liberal Brainwashing Elitists? What I think is the problem is the disdain many of your countrymen seem to have against people who have enjoyed an education or are educators. Even the nominator "intellectual" has gotten a bad rep. What kind of society would look down on intellectuals?
    I never said *all* teachers are bad. In fact I support paying good teachers more! The key is merit. Something that unions despise to the core.

    As far as "intellectuals" no one likes a elitist know it all who doesn't have practical knowledge. That doesn't describe every "intellectual" but that is the basis for societies contempt for them. The issue is made worse by the insular group think that many "intellectuals" are forged in at America's ivory tower universities.

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    "I didn't mean all, but many, but I'll still go on ranting about those I perceive with my selective observation and project them to the whole group.". I heard that diddy before. But this song aint about you, so I'll drop it.

    Quote Originally Posted by coinich View Post
    I'm rather uninformed on the issue, but doesn't also No Child Left Behind only give funds to schools that actually perform well, leading to well-funded (or at least better) "white/middle class" schools and underfunded inter-city schools usually stocked with minorities?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    [...]

    But that list can be glassed over by a good teacher. What they can't ignore is that everyone has to teach to a test now, they don't teach to a subject, or a student's wants/needs, or even current events. They teach to a test, because the test is the money.
    Is that true?
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    The test results = money. Yes.

    Until that old maxim "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach" goes away, attracting the good teachers will remain hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    but that is the basis for societies contempt for them.
    wrong, the basis is the understandable frustration and insecurity of the less enlightened. as well as the widespread culture that glorifies a lack of education, eg. your classic sig
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    Normally I'm anti-union...

    Normally.

    But I'm going to go against all of you here. I think to blame this on the union, while in fact may be true, there are a myriad of different reasons things are failing.

    1) Parents. Parents who send their children to a government school, and neglect to educate the child at home are just as much a problem as the school itself. When I was younger, my parents would always verify I finished my homework and studies. Does this happen as much as it used to? I think not.
    2) Entertainment. Not just limiting to video games, but entertainment in general. Growing up, we had 5 channels of TV to watch. We would go outside and play until the sun went down and then come inside to study. Now kids have a plethora of channels to choose from, their Xbox360, and a myriad of games to play to keep them entertained and their homework doesn't get done. (again, I blame the parents).
    3) People don't want to teach. I can make easily twice as much money working in the private sector. With a little work I can easily surpass even that.
    4) Too much government involvement. Zero tolerance laws take away from a teacher's ability to think on their own, I can only assume that this trickles down to the children, who then become mindless drones seeing everything as black and white issues.
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    Parents who do not educate their kids are not educated.
    Educate them at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Thirdly, you have to invest money into schools instead of reducing it. Reducing money for sub-par schools is the wrong signal, because the people who are most hurt by this are the children - who are already struggling. Investment into schools is a long-term struggle and you should view every child as important.
    Well, almost. You can give money, but you must make sure reform is there. That's exactly what is happening with two schools in my city.

    http://www.doe.mass.edu/news/news.aspx?id=5381:
    Landmark Opportunity for Students in Massachusetts' Most Struggling Schools

    Schools with Strong Plans Eligible for Federal Support

    MALDEN - The state's 35 most persistently low performing schools are now eligible for federal aid and state support to bring about dramatic improvements in student achievement through a blend of new school designs, better instructional support and stronger leadership.
    The list of the so-called "Level 4" schools was released on Thursday, and state officials urged district leaders to view the announcement as an opportunity to better serve the needs of their students.
    "This is about changing business as usual," said Governor Patrick. "We are working harder now to place our lowest performing schools on a path to success, so all students will get the education and the opportunities they deserve."
    "Our administration is committed to improving the state's public education system," said Lieutenant Governor Timothy Murray. "As a result of federal funding and the successful passage of our education reform, we can support plans to assist these underperforming schools, and provide all students equal opportunity for success."
    Education Commissioner Mitchell Chester agreed.
    "This is an unprecedented opportunity for management and teachers to come together and institute the long-lasting, transformative changes these schools need to turn things around to the benefit of students," he said. "We take no pleasure in identifying these schools, but we can't be satisfied with the status quo any longer."
    The identification of and quick intervention in Level 4 schools was made possible through the state's new Education Reform law, which was filed by Governor Patrick and signed into law in January.
    Under this law, the identified schools will develop redesign plans in collaboration with the superintendent, school committee, teachers' union, administrators, teachers, community representatives and parents. The redesign plan at each of the identified schools will serve as its application for the federal grant funding. The schools are also now eligible for additional federal funds to help the planning and implementation.
    "Dramatically improving student learning is the bottom line for school reform in Massachusetts," said Education Secretary Paul Reville. "Through the combination of substantial targeted federal funding and new authority for districts to act, we expect to quickly see significantly better results for the students and families attending the Commonwealth's most struggling schools."
    Education officials expressed appreciation again for the work of the Legislature and particularly the leadership of the Co-Chairs of the Joint Committee on Education.
    "Making sure each and every child in this state gets the best education possible was the impetus for our tackling education reform this session, and as a result there is framework in place to help these struggling schools access the federal and state resources they need to succeed," said Joint Committee on Education Co-Chair Senator Robert O'Leary.
    "Today's announcement allows these districts to immediately begin developing strategies for improvement, ensuring that these schools are on a path to success as quickly as possible."
    "By starting our turnaround efforts in these 35 schools, Massachusetts will begin its critical work to close our troubling achievement gap," said Representative Marty Walz, the House Chair of the Joint Committee on Education. "It is gratifying to know that these children will no longer be left behind. Their schools will now have the ability to make rapid improvements."
    More than 17,000 mainly minority students attend the 35 schools. Nearly 9 out of 10 are eligible for free or reduced-price lunch based on family income, 21 percent are students with disabilities and 26 percent are limited English proficient.
    Two-thirds of the schools are located in the Commonwealth's two largest cities, Boston and Springfield. The other schools are in seven other cities: Fall River, Holyoke, Lawrence, Lowell, Lynn, New Bedford and Worcester. In all, 20 are elementary schools, 8 are middle schools, 3 are K-8 schools and 4 are high schools.
    In February, the U.S. Department of Education (USED) finalized regulations to allow states to offer competitive grants over the next three years to intervene in each of their lowest performing schools. Through this program, Massachusetts is eligible for an estimated $76 million over the next three years, which will be awarded to the districts.
    Those that commit to one of four intervention models identified by USED can apply for grants of $500,000 or more per year on behalf of each Level 4 school.
    Of the 35 schools, 33 were identified based on an analysis of 4-year trends in overall school performance, student growth and improvement as measured by the Massachusetts Comprehensive Assessment System. Two are schools previously identified as "chronically underperforming".
    The three-year plan will be a blueprint for change that will:

    • Provide a pathway for significant improvement at each identified school;
    • Address district-level capacity to support low performing schools; and
    • Set measureable, annual goals that will serve as the standard for exiting Level 4 status.

    Schools can exit Level 4 status by showing an ambitious yet achievable 3-year increase in student achievement, as well as demonstrating that the conditions are in place at both the school and district to sustain that improvement. Year-to-year funding commitments will be dependent on making progress towards these goals.
    According to my local paper, the options for the Superintendent of Schools are: (http://www.thedailyitemoflynn.com/ar...ews/news01.txt)

    * The "turnaround model" calls for replacing the principal and at least 50 percent of the staff.

    * The "transformation model" requires the replacement of the principal and providing more time for students to learn core academic content by expanding the school day, week or year, or increasing instructional time for core academic subjects during the school day.

    * The "restart model" where the school is closed and reopens under a charter school operator.

    * The "school closure model" where the school is closed and enrolls the students who attended that school in other, high achieving schools

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    God, what a long ramble. Good points and bad points.

    My thoughts:
    1) Working only from standardized test results of basic math and language is doomed. It will force formulaic education a la 70s Japan, and will stamp out creativity. So, such tests should be used only as one element of an assessment.

    2) Teaching in the US is lagging in part because it is not valued and respected. This is reflected in salaries. No, anecdotes of high paid slacking teachers doesn't address the statistics. The reason other countries get top college students to teach while we don't is a combination of cultural values. Lewk has shown the way: his greatest respect is for the business majors who snake as much money for themselves as possible, not for somebody who serves the common good.

    3) The biggest differences are made at early ages, which is part of why well off families produce educated kids and poor families produce losers. The former spend time with kids, and have money to get quality, intellectually stimulating day care. Sorry Lewk, but all research shows that parents play a huge role. But not exclusive, of course.

    4) There's little science of education, and rarely has there been. Educational policy has almost always been based on cultural notions, not empirical data. The same is true for the criminal justice system, BTW.

    5) Education degrees focus on content, rather than method and behavioral management. Most teachers never learned what to do with a kid who has trouble learning multiplication. Either they figure it out themselves, or the kids lose. And one kid per year failing to master multiplication adequately won't make enough of a mark on the standardized test. But does it matter? Hell yeah.

    I recommend a far better article on schools

    {check out page 2 in particular. Hey, maybe we need schools extension programs, eh Dread?}

    Edit: Forgot, I think teacher's unions are a big part of the problem. My usual take on unions: too little is bad, too much power is bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agamemnus View Post
    According to my local paper, the options for the Superintendent of Schools are:
    We talked about those federal options in the RI thread, where all the teachers were terminated.



    Quote Originally Posted by ']['ear View Post
    ...Edit: Forgot, I think teacher's unions are a big part of the problem. My usual take on unions: too little is bad, too much power is bad.
    One example of unions too powerul, at least in funding and legacy costs. Also at NYT:

    The prospect of being shut down has left educators in Harlem’s public schools anxious. Teachers from closed schools keep their salaries even if they cannot find new positions, though Mr. Klein has been seeking the power to lay them off after a certain time. In some cases, principals and other administrators can lose their jobs or be pushed out of the system.

    Last year, the Education Department moved to shut down Public School 241 and replace it with a charter school run by the Harlem Success Academy network, but backed off after the teachers’ union filed a lawsuit. Still, Mr. Klein sent a letter home to parents at the school, encouraging them to “seriously consider” applying to Harlem Success, which now shares the building with P.S. 241.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/ed...agewanted=1&hp


    Competing with charter schools is great, just not sure how I feel about "marketing money" going toward recruitment to public schools.

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    Thank you very much for that link, Tear. The book mentioned in the article is already bought at Amazon
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    1) Working only from standardized test results of basic math and language is doomed. It will force formulaic education a la 70s Japan, and will stamp out creativity. So, such tests should be used only as one element of an assessment.
    Sure you can make other assessments, got not problem with that. Submit a proposal that rates the teacher via results. I don't care how you measure the results as long as they are objective and accurate.

    Teaching in the US is lagging in part because it is not valued and respected. This is reflected in salaries. No, anecdotes of high paid slacking teachers doesn't address the statistics. The reason other countries get top college students to teach while we don't is a combination of cultural values. Lewk has shown the way: his greatest respect is for the business majors who snake as much money for themselves as possible, not for somebody who serves the common good.
    It is hard to value a group of people who have created the monstrosity known as the teachers union. You want respect for teachers? Have them sign up for merit pay and reject unions that protect incompetence and reward tenure over skill.

    3) The biggest differences are made at early ages, which is part of why well off families produce educated kids and poor families produce losers. The former spend time with kids, and have money to get quality, intellectually stimulating day care. Sorry Lewk, but all research shows that parents play a huge role. But not exclusive, of course.
    Yes parents play a huge role. Keep in mind though that charter schools and other forms of school choice WORK in the same communities as those public schools and they do produce better results. Period.

    4) There's little science of education, and rarely has there been. Educational policy has almost always been based on cultural notions, not empirical data. The same is true for the criminal justice system, BTW.
    And I blame the teachers union for a lot of that. When you can not fire incompetence what incentive is there to teach in any other way then the one you prefer? Education system needs to FORCE teachers out of their comfort zone, use best practices and above all hold them accountable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust View Post
    Is this true?
    Yes, in MarketingLand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Thank you very much for that link, Tear. The book mentioned in the article is already bought at Amazon
    Yes. A great article addressing the facts of the matter, rather than hysteria designed to push people politically.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    And I blame the teachers union for a lot of that. When you can not fire incompetence what incentive is there to teach in any other way then the one you prefer? Education system needs to FORCE teachers out of their comfort zone, use best practices and above all hold them accountable.
    If you didn't use every single topic as a baseball bat to whack your ideological opposites, maybe we'd take you more seriously. This thread isn't about education, it's about LIBRULZ, isn't it Lewk?

    Stop the hysteria and start having reasoned discussions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImAnOgre View Post
    Zero tolerance laws take away from a teacher's ability to think on their own
    Because "Say No to Drugs" isn't good enough anymore...
    The parents of a Kentuckiana seventh grade student say their young daughter was suspended from school for doing exactly what she's been taught to do for years - to just say no to drugs.
    The girl did not bring the prescription drug to her Jeffersonville, IN school, nor did she take it, but she admits that she touched it and in Greater Clark County Schools that is drug possession.
    Details:

    Rachael Greer said it happened on Feb. 23 during fifth period gym class at River Valley Middle School when a girl walked into the locker room with a bag of pills. "She was talking to another girl and me about them and she put one in my hand and I was like, 'I don't want this,' so I put it back in the bag and I went to gym class," said Rachael.
    The pills were the prescription ADHD drug, Adderall. Patty Greer, Rachael's mother, said she and her husband are proud of their daughter for turning down drugs, just like she's been taught for years by DARE (Drug Abuse Resistance Education) instructors at school.
    "I'm proud her conscience kicked in and she said, 'No, I'm not taking this. Here you can have it back,'" Patty Greer said.
    But just saying no didn't end the trouble for Rachael. During the next period, an assistant principal came and took Rachael out of class. It turned out the girl who originally had the pills and a few other students got caught. That's when the assistant principal gave Rachael a decision.
    "We're suspending you for five days because it was in your hand," said Rachael.
    After hearing the news, Patty Greer went to school officials.
    "He said she wrote it down on a witness statement and she had told the truth, he said she was very, very honest and he said he was sorry he had to do it but it was school policy," said Patty Greer.
    According to Greater Clark County Schools district policy, even a touch equals drug possession and a one week suspension.
    "The fact of the matter is, there were drugs on school campus and it was handled, so there was a violation of our policy," said Martin Bell, COO of Greater Clark County Schools.
    We wanted to know what would have happened if Rachael had told a teacher right away. Bell said the punishment would not have been any different. District officials say if they're not strict about drug policies no one will take them seriously.

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    Disclaimer: the actions of individual ignoramouses (sp?) in the country of 300 million people should not be taken as a commentary on the policies involved. Presumably some dim school official is responsible in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ']['ear View Post
    Disclaimer: the actions of individual ignoramouses (sp?) in the country of 300 million people should not be taken as a commentary on the policies involved. Presumably some dim school official is responsible in this case.
    Except that's actually how "zero-tolerance" is suppose to work. By definition there is and can be no mitigation. One consequence of this is that it will always punish honesty, the only way to avoid punishment even when you do the right thing is to try and conceal someone else's wrongdoing.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    If you didn't use every single topic as a baseball bat to whack your ideological opposites, maybe we'd take you more seriously. This thread isn't about education, it's about LIBRULZ, isn't it Lewk?
    It is about education. The biggest barrier to education that the government can control is the teachers union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImAnOgre View Post
    Normally I'm anti-union...

    Normally.

    But I'm going to go against all of you here. I think to blame this on the union, while in fact may be true, there are a myriad of different reasons things are failing.

    1) Parents. Parents who send their children to a government school, and neglect to educate the child at home are just as much a problem as the school itself. When I was younger, my parents would always verify I finished my homework and studies. Does this happen as much as it used to? I think not.

    Speaking of homework... To graduate with certain honors, I was required to spend at least two hours tutoring at-risk freshmen and sophomores after school. Ok, no big deal, algebra isn't a difficult subject to help out with, so that will be cool. So I go to the after-school session (these events are conducted by the students' teachers) and am assigned to a table with four younger kids who obviously don't want to be there. So why are they there? I ask them if this is required for them. "No," they say. They're here for the homework passes. HOMEWORK PASSES. I hadn't even heard of that phrase since 3rd grade. Ok, so this session must be a pretty intensive thing. Nope, they're all handed a paper of how to plot linear equations and the teacher walks them through how to draw y=x using the graphing calculator (!!) on loan from the school. I didn't even get to do anything.

    I got to graduate with those honors, but it just made me realize how many sucky teachers there are at my high school. It's very true where the article says that the good teachers are assigned to the "good" students while the idiot teachers are assigned to the "idiot" students.
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    Kansas City Closing Nearly Half of Schools

    Missouri District to Shutter 29 Schools in Desperate Bid to Avoid Bankruptcy

    (AP) The Kansas City school board narrowly approved a plan Wednesday night to close nearly half of the district's schools in a desperate bid to avoid a potential bankruptcy.

    The board voted 5-4 after parents and community leaders made final pleas to spare the schools even as the beleaguered district seeks to erase a projected $50 million budget shortfall. The approved plan calls for shuttering 29 of 61 schools - a striking amount even as public school closures rise nationwide while the recession eats away at academic budgets.

    "The urban core has suffered white flight post-the 1954 U.S. Supreme Court decision Brown v. the Board of Education, blockbusting by the real estate industry, redlining by banks and other financial institutions, retail and grocery store abandonment," Kansas City Councilwoman Sharon Sanders Brooks said to applause from a standing-room-only crowd of more than 200 people.

    "And now the public education system is aiding and abetting in the economic demise of our school district," she said. "It is shameful and sinful."

    Many school board members said the vote was a difficult one. An emotional Duane Kelly told the crowd that "this is the most painful vote I have ever cast" in 10 years on the board.

    Under the approved plan, buildings will be shuttered before the next school year. Teachers at six other low-performing schools will be required to reapply for their jobs, and the district will sell its downtown central office. It also is expected to cut about 700 of the district's 3,000 jobs - including 285 teachers.

    "Now he has to figure out how to do it," said board member Joel Pelofsky, who voted for the closures. "My analogy is we took a meat ax to the district. Now we have to figure out how to sandpaper it into place."

    Some parents called for Superintendent John Covington's departure after the vote, shouting, "He has to go."

    Covington, one in a long line of superintendents, has spent the past month making the case to sometimes angry groups of parents and students that the closures are necessary. He declined to discuss the closures after the meeting but planned to talk at a news conference Thursday morning.

    Laura Loyacono, 45, the parent of a 13-year-old girl and 16-year-old boy, served on a committee that helped draft the closure proposal.

    "It's not an easy thing," Loyacono said. "We knew going into it that we would have to close a significant number of schools because of the budget issues and because the resources have been so diluted and so spread out that I think some of the program quality has really suffered."

    Despite the need, she said nobody likes to see schools closed.

    "It's a tough day," Loyacono said.

    Covington has stressed that the district's buildings are only half-full as its population has plummeted amid political squabbling and chronically abysmal test scores. The district's enrollment of fewer than 18,000 students is about half of what the schools had a decade ago and just a quarter of its peak in the late 1960s.

    Many students have left for publicly funded charter schools, private and parochial schools and the suburbs.

    Fewer students means less money from the state. For the past few years, the district has been plowing through the large reserves it built up when money from a $2 billion court-ordered desegregation plan was flooding its coffers.

    School administrators have said that without radical cuts, the district could be in the red by 2011.

    Further stressing the budget, the district will lose $23.5 million in the upcoming academic year that it had received from the state for educating students who attended seven schools that have switched to a better-performing neighboring district.

    "None of us liked voting for this," board member and former desegregation attorney Arthur Benson said, "but it was necessary."

    Nationally, many big districts are closing just one or two schools. Detroit closed 29 schools before classes began this fall, but that still left the district with 172 schools.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6287595.shtml

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    Well if the schools are only half full, I can imagine that stretching your resources makes the quality overall crap. Closing down a number seems like a sensible thing to do from that article.
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