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    Default Hotshot sniper in one-and-a-half mile double kill

    A BRITISH Army sniper has set a new sharpshooting distance record by killing two Taliban machinegunners in Afghanistan from more than 1 mile away.

    Craig Harrison, a member of the Household Cavalry, killed the insurgents with consecutive shots — even though they were 3,000ft beyond the most effective range of his rifle.

    “The first round hit a machinegunner in the stomach and killed him outright,” said Harrison, a Corporal of Horse. “He went straight down and didn’t move.

    “The second insurgent grabbed the weapon and turned as my second shot hit him in the side. He went down, too. They were both dead.”

    The shooting — which took place while Harrison’s colleagues came under attack — was at such extreme range that the 8.59mm bullets took almost three seconds to reach their target after leaving the barrel of the rifle at almost three times the speed of sound.

    The distance to Harrison’s two targets was measured by a GPS system at 8,120ft, or 1.54 miles. The previous record for a sniper kill is 7,972ft, set by a Canadian soldier who shot dead an Al-Qaeda gunman in March 2002.

    In a remarkable tour of duty, Harrison cheated death a few weeks later when a Taliban bullet pierced his helmet but was deflected away from his skull. He later broke both arms when his army vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb.

    Harrison was sent back to the UK for treatment, but insisted on returning to the front line after making a full recovery.

    “I was lucky that my physical fitness levels were very high before my arms were fractured and after six weeks in plaster I was still in pretty good shape,” he said. “It hasn’t affected my ability as a sniper.”

    Harrison, from Gloucestershire, was reunited in Britain with his wife Tanya and daughter Dani, 16, last month. Recalling his shooting prowess in Helmand province, he said: “It was just unlucky for the Taliban that conditions were so good and we could see them so clearly.”

    Harrison and his colleagues were in open-topped Jackal 4x4 vehicles providing cover for an Afghan national army patrol south of Musa Qala in November last year. When the Afghan soldiers and Harrison’s troop commander came under enemy fire, the sniper, whose vehicle was further back on a ridge, trained his sights on a Taliban compound in the distance. His L115A3 long-range rifle, the army’s most powerful sniper weapon, is designed to be effective at up to 4,921ft and supposedly capable of only “harassing fire” beyond that range.

    “We saw two insurgents running through its courtyard, one in a black dishdasha, one in green,” he said. “They came forward carrying a PKM machinegun, set it up and opened fire on the commander’s wagon.

    “Conditions were perfect, no wind, mild weather, clear visibility. I rested the bipod of my weapon on a compound wall and aimed for the gunner firing the machinegun.

    “The driver of my Jackal, Trooper Cliff O’Farrell, spotted for me, providing all the information needed for the shot, which was at the extreme range of the weapon.”

    Harrison killed one machinegunner with his first attempt and felled the other with his next shot. He then let off a final round to knock the enemy weapon out of action.

    Harrison discovered that he had set a new record only on his return to UK barracks nine days ago. The previous record was held by Corporal Rob Furlong, of Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry, who was using a 12.7mm McMillan TAC-50 rifle.

    Tom Irwin, a director of Accuracy International, the British manufacturer of the L115A3 rifle, said: “It is still fairly accurate beyond 4,921ft, but at that distance luck plays as much of a part as anything.”

    News of Harrison’s success comes amid concern over a rival insurgent sharpshooter who in a five-month spree has killed up to seven British soldiers, including a sniper, in and around the Taliban stronghold of Sangin.

    In a later incident during the tour, Harrison’s patrol vehicle was hit 36 times during a Taliban ambush. “One round hit my helmet behind the right ear and came out of the top,” he said. “Two more rounds went through the strap across my chest. We were all very, very lucky not to get hurt.”

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    Two direct hits, from 1.54 miles away.

    Ouch.
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    Yeah, well, they weren't headshots.
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    I like how the most natural measurement of distance for you is a city block
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    I like how the most natural measurement of distance for you is a city block


    Very impressive. Although the best part of the story though is the fact that he didn't just save his colleagues lives, he and they survived later on too

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    Man if my call of duty skills were real I would beat this by a long shot (no pun intended)

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    Not if the draw distance in CoD is anything like in other games you wouldn't.
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    That's some incredible shooting, even with ideal weather conditions.
    To do it three times (he took out the weapon too) is just mind-boggling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Knux897 View Post
    Man if my call of duty skills were real I would beat this by a long shot (no pun intended)
    Hehe..distances in all games are vastly reduced.
    The longest "sniper" shot in CoD is an moderately difficult unscoped M16 shot in reality.

    Then throw in proper breathing, realistic ballistics (bullets travel magically in straight lines in games, they drop in reality), proper trigger squeezing pressure, estimating distance and adjusting windage, compensating for the tiny differences that the barrel will have, compensating for the effect of the powder build-up in the barrel after putting X amount of rounds through it, recoil, minute differences in ammuntion.

    And hopefully you'll have perfect conditions like this guy had so you won't have to worry about visibility, temperature, and wind.

    Oh, and remaining calm during a combat situation of course, so your pulse isn't racing so hard that it throws your shot off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowheart View Post
    That's some incredible shooting, even with ideal weather conditions.
    To do it three times (he took out the weapon too) is just mind-boggling.
    Actually, it's not that difficult to do multiple times in a row - the hardest part is dialing in the scope right the first time. Once that's done, you just put the target in the scope again and pull the trigger a second (and then a third) time. (Because in this case, the target's in the same spot, so you [probably] don't need to make any adjustments between shots.) Assuming there's no windage shifts, the second and third shots are the same as the first - once you compensate for elevation, distance, windage and dial in that scope, executing three consecutive trigger squeezes without fucking something up is as easy for a trained marksman as putting on pants properly is for the rest of us mere mortals.

    Not to diminish the difficulty of making a shot with a 3 second travel time - at that distance, the humidity in the air can make a big enough difference to cause miss, FFS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crowheart View Post
    compensating for the effect of the powder build-up in the barrel after putting X amount of rounds through it, recoil, minute differences in ammuntion.
    I can't speak for certain about British snipers, but for American and Canadian ones, the ammo they use is hand loaded - every round is precisely the same in powder content and round weighting, down the grain.

    In fact, if you're a washout from Sniper/Recon school (US Marines), there's a very good chance that you'll spend the next 2-3 years painstakingly measuring out power (on scales calibrated to the 1000th of a gram) and loading ammo, by hand, for the guys who actually *did* have what it takes.

    (So, no, professional *military* sharpshooters don't have to worry about powder build up or the minute differences between mass produced rounds.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Actually, it's not that difficult to do multiple times in a row - the hardest part is dialing in the scope right the first time. Once that's done, you just put the target in the scope again and pull the trigger a second (and then a third) time. (Because in this case, the target's in the same spot, so you [probably] don't need to make any adjustments between shots.) Assuming there's no windage shifts, the second and third shots are the same as the first - once you compensate for elevation, distance, windage and dial in that scope, executing three consecutive trigger squeezes without fucking something up is as easy for a trained marksman as putting on pants properly is for the rest of us mere mortals.

    Not to diminish the difficulty of making a shot with a 3 second travel time - at that distance, the humidity in the air can make a big enough difference to cause miss, FFS.
    Yeah, the first shot is the hardest (easily)
    The article didn't mention if his first hit was actually his first shot?...I wonder.
    And yeah, the follow up shots are easier, but still damn impressive at that range.


    I can't speak for certain about British snipers, but for American and Canadian ones, the ammo they use is hand loaded - every round is precisely the same in powder content and round weighting, down the grain.

    In fact, if you're a washout from Sniper/Recon school (US Marines), there's a very good chance that you'll spend the next 2-3 years painstakingly measuring out power (on scales calibrated to the 1000th of a gram) and loading ammo, by hand, for the guys who actually *did* have what it takes.

    (So, no, professional *military* sharpshooters don't have to worry about powder build up or the minute differences between mass produced rounds.)
    I wasn't referring to the load, but to imperfections/differences on the round itself.
    Granted, these make so little difference that I can concede the point that for a military shooter it is fairly moot.

    But you were in the military (I think?), so you know as well as I do, that when you've put a certain amount of rounds through a barrel, the ballistics start to change and you need to compensate for it.
    (It takes much more than 3 rounds to see a change, granted)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowheart View Post
    Yeah, the first shot is the hardest (easily)
    The article didn't mention if his first hit was actually his first shot?...I wonder.
    And yeah, the follow up shots are easier, but still damn impressive at that range.
    I doubt it was his first shot - the Canadian sniper he bested took 3 shots to take down his target - first on missed by a slim margin, second one hit the guy's backpack, and the third one finally put him down.

    Of course, if it was this guy's first shot that hit the target, that would be very impressive (and exceptionally lucky too).

    Quote Originally Posted by Crowheart View Post
    I wasn't referring to the load, but to imperfections/differences on the round itself.
    Granted, these make so little difference that I can concede the point that for a military shooter it is fairly moot.
    I wouldn't be surprised if even the round itself was hand-crafted, or from small batches, or if they have someone pull out all the "most similar" rounds from the large ammo-production runs. Even the brass casings our elite snipers use are "special," and the powder's a special variant of typical smokeless gunpowder... so... it would seem to fit that they'd do something to ensure a higher degree of similarity between the projectile part of the bullets too. <shrug>

    Quote Originally Posted by Crowheart View Post
    But you were in the military (I think?), so you know as well as I do, that when you've put a certain amount of rounds through a barrel, the ballistics start to change and you need to compensate for it.
    (It takes much more than 3 rounds to see a change, granted)
    Yeah, but snipers generally clean their rifle barrels between engagements (precisely because they don't want powder build up fucking up a shot)... and I can't really figure a scenario where a sniper's going to putting enough rounds through that barrel in one engagement to have enough powder build up to worry about. Not impossible, I suppose, but it strikes me as one of those things that's probably happened once, in the whole history of the world that makes a fun footnote in some military/military history book.
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    Well, everyone cleans their weapon between engagements..(the non-dumb fucks anyways )

    I was thinking of his comparision of a CoD game when I made that list, where it's common to take a hundred shots or so during a match...but yeah, in reality quite rare.

    Only example I can think of in real life is maybe those two Rangers (or were they Delta?) snipers that defended the second downed Black Hawk in Mogadishu during that whole shitstorm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowheart View Post
    Well, everyone cleans their weapon between engagements..(the non-dumb fucks anyways )
    Oh, you'd be surprised - hell, the M-16 got such a lousy rep in Vietnam precisely because the Army was using the "wrong powder," and the grunts were shooting up drugs when they should have been cleaning their rifles. And frankly, even in today's Army, basic maintenance isn't given the attention it should be given, especially when it's much more fun to drink hooch and masturbate once you get back from patrol.

    Snipers are more disciplined/anal/attention to detail/whatever, so they're generally able to put off the hooch and masturbation until *after* cleaning their rifles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crowheart View Post
    Only example I can think of in real life is maybe those two Rangers (or were they Delta?) snipers that defended the second downed Black Hawk in Mogadishu during that whole shitstorm.
    Yeah, and even then, they weren't sniping as much as they were shooting into a crowd/holding off the angry mob. Pretty sure the ranges in that engagement were <300 meters, so even if their rifle barrels did suffer from powder build up, I'm not sure it would be enough to make a difference at that range. Maybe put the round into the guy's *other* eye, but probably not enough of a difference to have a practical effect. Pity we can't ask 'em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Oh, you'd be surprised - hell, the M-16 got such a lousy rep in Vietnam precisely because the Army was using the "wrong powder," and the grunts were shooting up drugs when they should have been cleaning their rifles. And frankly, even in today's Army, basic maintenance isn't given the attention it should be given, especially when it's much more fun to drink hooch and masturbate once you get back from patrol.

    Snipers are more disciplined/anal/attention to detail/whatever, so they're generally able to put off the hooch and masturbation until *after* cleaning their rifles.
    I was a Marine in an Infantry battalion...we always cleaned our weapons
    Not like those Army nasties.
    We did concentrate more on our specialty weapons (60 & 81mm mortars in my case) than our standard issue rifles though, to be fair.

    Yeah, and even then, they weren't sniping as much as they were shooting into a crowd/holding off the angry mob. Pretty sure the ranges in that engagement were <300 meters, so even if their rifle barrels did suffer from powder build up, I'm not sure it would be enough to make a difference at that range. Maybe put the round into the guy's *other* eye, but probably not enough of a difference to have a practical effect. Pity we can't ask 'em.
    300 max, if that.
    Yah, that's extreme close range...fairly insignificant factor that close.
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    V.impressive shooting .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    That's 30 city blocks. Jesus.


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    Yeah, the first shot is the hardest
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    Heh.. now that ya mention it, think it is.

    What a coinkydink.

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    The First Cut Is the Deepest. Originally by Cat Stevens.
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    Ah, well pretty close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowheart View Post
    Ah, well pretty close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    That's 30 city blocks. Jesus.
    Dude, you have friggin small city blocks. Where I come from, that's about 12 blocks.

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    The First Cut Is the Deepest. Originally by Cat Stevens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ']['ear View Post
    Really? A Catvan Peacetrainkillpeoplewhoinsultislam Stevens cover?

    I had no idea. Dang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wiggin View Post
    Dude, you have friggin small city blocks. Where I come from, that's about 12 blocks.
    In urban planning terms, the blocks near you are probably closer to what's called "superblocks".

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    Uhm, no. All of Chicago has a straightforward grid system. Full blocks are 1/8 mile; the cross streets are 'half blocks' and are normally about 1/16 of a mile. You get a major street every 4 blocks or 1/2 mile. Furthermore, block addresses actually make sense, changing 100 for every street.

    I'm assuming you're referencing Manhattan, which has the most ridiculous block system on the planet, with *very* short blocks and weird numbering systems (why, for example, do the addresses not match the street numbers? Anyone?).

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    Chicago has blocks that are a bit closer in length to ours, but still double. I thought you said you were somewhere else, not Chicago. Or is that just where the girlfriend is.

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    My current abode doesn't count; hell, it's not a real city anyways. The old stomping grounds had an intelligently designed grid system, not some haphazard mess on the east coast. 330X660 feet, so you could always easily calculate where you were in mile terms relative to any other part of the city. Hell, it even converts nicely to km.

    The wife currently lives with me, but will be moving to even more of an unplanned urban nightmare in the near future - Boston. Ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiggin View Post
    The wife currently lives with me, but will be moving to even more of an unplanned urban nightmare in the near future - Boston. Ugh.
    Oh, dear God. Save yourself the torment and kill yourself now. I'll even lend you one of my guns - just be sure to leave a note so the coroner knows where to mail it back to.
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