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    ... What are they doing? It seems to me Microsoft has this seldom ability to jump onto market fads, look at their rivals, then misinterpret their reasons for adding certain functionality and follow up with the worst piece of construction they can possibly design.

    That color scheme might be okay for a middle-aged couple in Turkey, but is waaaay too obnoxious for people in general. Tiles that launch into full-screen applications only work when software only has 1 central function. Otherwise they'll be odd looking. And the whole multitasking / windows swapping concept seems like a gigantic leap backwards in productivity.

    Am I the only one changing to OSX Lion or a Linux distribution next?

    Edit: I'll probably follow up on this thread with Apple's next conference held on monday, which will reveal a lot of OSX Lion.
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    It looks like what they were showing off there is more or less designed to be run on tablet PCs, and the more traditional windows interface runs underneath.
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    Still, can't you imagine the scenario? How you would have to swipe it away to get access to a useful interface. How those images will be automatically added without your control, forcing you to clean them up if they're inappropriate. To me it seems as though they have centralized far too much of the functionality around touch. It's not intuitive, by no means faster than using a mouse - except for a very few instances that OSX Lion has captured fairly well. So mixing in the use of a tablet and a desktop just seems completely irrelevant and annoying to me.

    Yet despite all that I'm actually looking forward to testing a dev build within soon.
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    Something about this reminds me of the MS-DOS shell back when I was using DOS 5. This looks like it's basically a visual shell to hover over the file system/OS to provide a new UI without changing much.

    In some respects it may be clever, as it allows them to change the consumer experience without changing the business experience. But something about it feels...a bit restrictive.

    The really neat part was the thumbs-only touch screen at around 2:45. That's just a solidly good idea.

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    Yes, Kazuha, let's stick for millenia to one and only one UI scheme just because someone might have to learn something new.

    And you can switch to the old UI.

    So, how exactly is this "OMG, the sky is falling!" justified?

    Oh, and have fun changing to a Linux distro. I hear Gnome Shell is all the rage today.
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    Truthfully I'd rather be sticking with Windows 7. ^^'

    Yet here is what I see Microsoft doing at the moment:



    Trying to be the creator of new fashion, while knowing that no American Joe would dress up in such clothes. I have an issue with the design primarily. Tiles, white thin font, random placement of applications. It's not too radical, but radical in the wrong way.
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    Didn't watch the video. I try to stay away from these things until I get a build in my hands. But from the screenshot it looks like Microsoft is trying to copy/expand the rather positive feedback they have gotten from their Windows Phone 7 OSes. I would love a seamless PC/Tablet/Phone interface, it would just make everything easier. Microsoft has stumbled with this before (Media Center), so I hope they learned from it this time.
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    Reminds me of my current desktop

    Last edited by Tylor; 06-07-2011 at 12:53 AM. Reason: Got the pic to show up

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    I. Love. That. Rainmeter? Is that how you got the taskbar to disappear while keeping the start button?

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    An interesting take on some of this from another angle...

    Still Think The Mouse Isn’t Dead?

    MG Siegler- Jun 3, 2011

    We’ve been over this. But many of you felt the need to argue — passionately — about the fate of an input device we all use today: the mouse. I say it’s dead. Well not dead, dead — yet. But the wheels are clearly in motion. Many disagree. And I thought it was worth bringing up again upon seeing the demo video that Microsoft put out there for Windows 8.

    I mean, does anyone still think the mouse isn’t dead?

    I can understand that after Apple put a gun to the head of the mouse with the release of the Magic Trackpad, people were skeptical. “Apple has basically no market share!,” was the basis of most of the basic arguments. The bigger point was that we’re moving into a world where touch is king, lead by the smartphones and tablets. These devices are going to start influencing our more traditional computers, not the other way around.

    But still, many were quick to argue that the PC will never go mouse-less. Which is silly. In fact, it’s going to next year. And Microsoft — yes, Microsoft! — is leading that charge.

    Sure, they point out in the video that the Windows 8 interface can still be used with a mouse. But that’s laughable. Watch what they’re doing in those videos. How are you going to do some of those gestures with a mouse? And even the ones you can do, it will be a thousand times harder than if you just use touch gestures. Microsoft admits that Windows 8 is designed for touch.

    Others have argued about the ergonomics. No way touchscreen computers replace the more comfortable mouse-on-the-desktop paradigm, right? Those people aren’t thinking about this deeply enough. It’s not just about directly manipulating a screen via touch, it will be about using touch pads as well that reside on desktops. You know, like the Magic Trackpad.

    We’re about the see the first real step in this post-mouse direction in a few weeks. When OS X Lion is released, it will quickly become apparent that it’s much better suited for users with trackpads rather than users with mice. I suspect Apple will start selling more Magic Trackpads as a result. (There’s a reason the in-store iMacs now have Magic Trackpads as the standard.)

    And again, this goes deeper. OS X Lion has been billed by Apple as OS X meets iOS. A big part of this intersection is touch. This is the way that upcoming generations are going to grow up using computers. Hell, in just one year, the iPad has already broken my brain with regard to input controls. I keep trying to touch my MacBook screen to scroll — it’s driving me insane. OS X Lion will alleviate some of the pain.

    While it will die as the primary input method for computing, the mouse will continue to reside for many years as a precision tool. It’s something that graphical designers and hardcore gamers will continue to pray at the alter of (or trackballs, I suppose). But the rest of us will be touching our data, our apps, the web, etc. And this early look at Windows 8 is nothing if not an admission of that.

    The mouse had a good run. But it’s over.

    http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/03/windows-ate-the-mouse/

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    It's not that the mouse is dead, but the laptop may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tylor View Post
    Reminds me of my current desktop

    Tell me how!
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    I wouldn't even entertain the idea that the mouse is dead until we get a mainstream way to interact with our machines without touching them. Besides the disgusting looking state of most tablets after only a few minutes of use, the computer is ending up in more and more livingrooms as a media device, and touch simply doesn't work there. My mom won a Dell all-in-one touch a few days ago, and she thinks the touch concept is completely pointless. Its a 23"HD screen, but you have to sit all up on it to reach for the touch. This makes it uncomfortable and difficult to use.

    If anyone is going to bring about the death of the mouse, its the game consoles. Microsoft has gesture based navigating with the kinect, and Sony showed off a lot of titles yesterday that turned their motion controller into a pointer a la the Wii.

    and graphical designers have been using penpads for years.
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    Touchpads seem more useful than touchscreens to me. But the mouse definitely has advantages, too. It's more precise too, I think.
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    Touchpads? Were those ever not crap?
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

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    For my desktop, get the program rainmeter- Rainmeter.net

    Then, get this addon for that program: Omnimo

    There's a TON you can do with this program. You can customize your desktop in hundreds of ways. I find it as a great creative outlet.

    EDIT: Here's the windows 8 UI (Rainmeter Addon - Omnimo) if you can't wait for its release: Clicky
    Gotta wait a week or so for its release though
    Last edited by Tylor; 06-10-2011 at 07:13 PM.

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    But I want the full instructions to get it just like yours. I liked that look.
    Tomorrow is like an empty canvas that extends endlessly, what should I sketch on it?

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    I like that, I'm playing around with it now.

    The chances are really good that I'll remove this and go back to my extremely messy desktop soon, but for now, thanks.
    We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.

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    Actually, yes. It's something you find fancy and new when you see it, but you tire from it after like a day.
    Tomorrow is like an empty canvas that extends endlessly, what should I sketch on it?

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    It lasted until about 5 minutes ago for me.

    I missed my silly rotating backgrounds, finally.
    We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.

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    http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/09...st-Another-App

    This is an idea I can get behind. The tile design isn't the only interface design in Windows 8. If you want the traditional dekstop, its treated like launching any other app. All the resources the traditional desktop takes up, finally freed!
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Microsoft is a bit schizophrenic. They just seem to start with a blank slate every time, instead of incremental improvement.

    Why don't I have the option to search in a folder when I right-click on it in Windows 7? Why do I have to click it and then move all the way to the top-right?

    Why do I have to give every single file and folder permission to be read and modified on my old (now external) drive?

    EEEEE

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    Quote Originally Posted by agamemnus View Post
    Why don't I have the option to search in a folder when I right-click on it in Windows 7? Why do I have to click it and then move all the way to the top-right?

    Why do I have to give every single file and folder permission to be read and modified on my old (now external) drive?

    EEEEE
    Because you don't know what you're doing. People who actually do know what they're doing on a Win7 box don't have either of those problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/09...st-Another-App

    This is an idea I can get behind. The tile design isn't the only interface design in Windows 8. If you want the traditional dekstop, its treated like launching any other app. All the resources the traditional desktop takes up, finally freed!
    It's actually always been that way. I've fiddled with replacing the standard desktop by an alternative shell way back with Windows 95.

    That's why there's an 'explorer.exe' when you call up the task manager.
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    Apparently they released a preview of windows 8 today that you can download. Here's a video preview: Clicky

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    So windows 8 isn't half bad on my ancient HP laptop. Not too difficult to set up, just a little hassle with the graphics drivers due to the card being from before recorded history
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    What's the footprint on it?

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    Looks like something around 300 MB in RAM, or just over that The processor's working a little more than I'd like though. Gonna look into turning off some of the eye-candy maybe, not sure if it's using the GPU like it should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith View Post
    What's the footprint on it?
    Should be roughly the same as 7 (on x86, that is), at least that's what Microsoft stated. ARM is a completely different matter
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