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    Default RIP Aaron Swartz

    http://boingboing.net/2013/01/12/rip-aaron-swartz.html

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...-aaron-swartz/




    No doubt some monkeybrains will be irritated by the attention due to Aaron being both smart, depressed and ultimately suicidal. And of course there are other monkeybrains who simply don't understand the concept of "proportionality". For those who aren't monkeybrains and are summat interested in the internet and its freedom, or in questions about prosecutorial discretion, this is probably sad news.
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    Lessig:

    http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/403474...cutor-as-bully

    But all this shows is that if the government proved its case, some punishment was appropriate. So what was that appropriate punishment? Was Aaron a terrorist? Or a cracker trying to profit from stolen goods? Or was this something completely different?

    Early on, and to its great credit, JSTOR figured “appropriate” out: They declined to pursue their own action against Aaron, and they asked the government to drop its. MIT, to its great shame, was not as clear, and so the prosecutor had the excuse he needed to continue his war against the “criminal” who we who loved him knew as Aaron.

    Here is where we need a better sense of justice, and shame. For the outrageousness in this story is not just Aaron. It is also the absurdity of the prosecutor’s behavior. From the beginning, the government worked as hard as it could to characterize what Aaron did in the most extreme and absurd way. The “property” Aaron had “stolen,” we were told, was worth “millions of dollars” — with the hint, and then the suggestion, that his aim must have been to profit from his crime. But anyone who says that there is money to be made in a stash of ACADEMIC ARTICLES is either an idiot or a liar. It was clear what this was not, yet our government continued to push as if it had caught the 9/11 terrorists red-handed.

    Aaron had literally done nothing in his life “to make money.” He was fortunate Reddit turned out as it did, but from his work building the RSS standard, to his work architecting Creative Commons, to his work liberating public records, to his work building a free public library, to his work supporting Change Congress/FixCongressFirst/Rootstrikers, and then Demand Progress, Aaron was always and only working for (at least his conception of) the public good. He was brilliant, and funny. A kid genius. A soul, a conscience, the source of a question I have asked myself a million times: What would Aaron think? That person is gone today, driven to the edge by what a decent society would only call bullying. I get wrong. But I also get proportionality. And if you don’t get both, you don’t deserve to have the power of the United States government behind you.

    For remember, we live in a world where the architects of the financial crisis regularly dine at the White House — and where even those brought to “justice” never even have to admit any wrongdoing, let alone be labeled “felons.”

    In that world, the question this government needs to answer is why it was so necessary that Aaron Swartz be labeled a “felon.” For in the 18 months of negotiations, that was what he was not willing to accept, and so that was the reason he was facing a million dollar trial in April — his wealth bled dry, yet unable to appeal openly to us for the financial help he needed to fund his defense, at least without risking the ire of a district court judge. And so as wrong and misguided and fucking sad as this is, I get how the prospect of this fight, defenseless, made it make sense to this brilliant but troubled boy to end it.

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    It's sad that he ended up killing themselves, but should the judicial system let criminals off just because they're suicidal? Furthermore, should we really not prosecute criminals just because their victims don't want to press charges?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    It's sad that he ended up killing themselves, but should the judicial system let criminals off just because they're suicidal? Furthermore, should we really not prosecute criminals just because their victims don't want to press charges?
    That would be where the question of proportionality comes up, and that's provided this even was a crime to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    That would be where the question of proportionality comes up,
    MIT has launched an investigation into how they handled their end, the whole thing is that fucked up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Yeah, since when is taking someone else's private content and making it publicly available without permission illegal.
    yeah, this didn't actually happen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    yeah, this didn't actually happen
    Yeah, he only illegally connected a computer to MIT's system, downloaded a huge portion of the JSTOR database, and was on the verge of making all those files publicly available. Not theft at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    This is sad. And I haven't read up on it too much. But I'm not sure the backlash against the prosecutor is appropriate either -- stolen content is stolen content, and universities charge a pretty penny to gain access to some of those databases.

    Doesn't justify sending the guy to Guantanamo, but it seems he had longterm depression issues that he succumbed to. Unless I read about some kind of prosecutorial misconduct, trying to blame the prosecution is somewhere between a distraction and rank opportunism.
    He was going to get 6 months in prison. Not exactly having the book thrown at him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    That would be where the question of proportionality comes up, and that's provided this even was a crime to begin with.
    Proportionality? If I were to make publicly available 1 article that I downloaded from JSTOR, I'd be in legal trouble. This guy wanted to make available millions of articles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    making it publicly available without permission illegal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    on the verge of making all those files publicly available.
    getting better
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Yeah, he only illegally connected a computer to MIT's system, downloaded a huge portion of the JSTOR database, and was on the verge of making all those files publicly available. Not theft at all.



    He was going to get 6 months in prison. Not exactly having the book thrown at him.



    Proportionality? If I were to make publicly available 1 article that I downloaded from JSTOR, I'd be in legal trouble. This guy wanted to make available millions of articles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Furthermore, should we really not prosecute criminals just because their victims don't want to press charges?
    Sometimes, yeah. Perhaps even frequently or usually. If the alleged victims do not feel harmed then you are not providing justice when you prosecute their alleged victimizers. Having said that, we are all aware that this case was not about justice. It was about the Justice Department and the federal prosecutor wanting a nice shiny high-profile case for the new law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Sometimes, yeah. Perhaps even frequently or usually. If the alleged victims do not feel harmed then you are not providing justice when you prosecute their alleged victimizers. Having said that, we are all aware that this case was not about justice. It was about the Justice Department and the federal prosecutor wanting a nice shiny high-profile case for the new law.
    Aren't prosecutors supposed to balance the benefit of prosecution in those cases? For instance, if charges are not pressed on a violent crime, it should still be prosecuted because it is the benefit of the society that ciolent c riminals are prosecuted, and that they are off the streets.

    Anyway, don't know too much about this case, prosecuting for 35 years seems like too harsh a penalty for sure. Also goes to show that plea bargains may be a bit problematic - if the difference between going to court or not is the difference between 6 months and potentially thirty, that's a massive difference and may lead to false guilty pleas simply to avoid harsher sentencing.

    Regarding the case, I don't think that the lack of security OG cited in the article is a good excuse. The easy access makes it, well, easier to access the databases from MIT, which is a good thing too. Probably makes sciencing a bunch easier as well. Exploiting that may very well lead to access being stricter and impeding the ease of finding literature, which is the opposite of what he presumably tried to achieve. I mean, I find the ease of access to places like JSTOR a good thing since it makes it easy to access documents even from home, or quickly downloading a lot of articles and skimming for relevance later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Sometimes, yeah. Perhaps even frequently or usually. If the alleged victims do not feel harmed then you are not providing justice when you prosecute their alleged victimizers. Having said that, we are all aware that this case was not about justice. It was about the Justice Department and the federal prosecutor wanting a nice shiny high-profile case for the new law.
    Sorta makes me wonder if all federal criminal statues should have sunset clauses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Sometimes, yeah. Perhaps even frequently or usually. If the alleged victims do not feel harmed then you are not providing justice when you prosecute their alleged victimizers. Having said that, we are all aware that this case was not about justice. It was about the Justice Department and the federal prosecutor wanting a nice shiny high-profile case for the new law.
    You think if I was to illegally access someone else's network and download millions of files, I wouldn't get 6 months in prison?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    You think if I was to illegally access someone else's network and download millions of files, I wouldn't get 6 months in prison?
    I dunno, what sort of lawyers do you have access to? I am sure that if you did do that, it would not be as big a deal as this was. And yeah, I feel confident in saying that if you were prosecuted, it's because one of the allegedly infringed on parties is pushing for it.
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    Yeah, since when is taking someone else's private content and making it publicly available without permission illegal.
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    This is sad. And I haven't read up on it too much. But I'm not sure the backlash against the prosecutor is appropriate either -- stolen content is stolen content, and universities charge a pretty penny to gain access to some of those databases.

    Doesn't justify sending the guy to Guantanamo, but it seems he had longterm depression issues that he succumbed to. Unless I read about some kind of prosecutorial misconduct, trying to blame the prosecution is somewhere between a distraction and rank opportunism.

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    I'm not sure but I get the impression you got the "6 months" from older reports. The charges multiplied not long ago because they counted every occasion as a separate infraction. Hence the question of proportionality.
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    Oh I see you mean if he'd decided to plead guilty to all charges
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    Well, one would have to take care that (alleged) victims are not pressured into saying that they don't feel harmed. But that's only a minor nitpick, other than that I fully agree with Fuzzy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Well, one would have to take care that (alleged) victims are not pressured into saying that they don't feel harmed. But that's only a minor nitpick, other than that I fully agree with Fuzzy.
    That's not a minor nitpick. That's a huge consideration in any case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Oh I see you mean if he'd decided to plead guilty to all charges
    Yeah. You think 6 months is unreasonable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Yeah. You think 6 months is unreasonable?
    I do think it's unreasonable that the difference between pleading guilty and fighting in court can be more than 30 years in sentencing if you are convicted. That's simply pressuring suspects to confess, whether they are guilty or not. Even if you are almost certain you can beat it in court.. 35 years is quite the incentive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    I do think it's unreasonable that the difference between pleading guilty and fighting in court can be more than 30 years in sentencing if you are convicted. That's simply pressuring suspects to confess, whether they are guilty or not. Even if you are almost certain you can beat it in court.. 35 years is quite the incentive.
    That's how our judicial system works. It's hardly unique to this case. No one actually gets the maximum sentence.

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    The difference between 6 months and 30 years is considerable. I don't quite grasp the logic by which a sentence can be reduced by more than 98%, just because you plead guilty. I mean, of course you need an incentive for people to confess to their crimes, but this?

    Unless, of course, the "crime" wasn't that serious to begin with.
    See point above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    That's how our judicial system works. It's hardly unique to this case. No one actually gets the maximum sentence.
    I know it is, I wasn't limiting my criticism to this case Don't they get significantly higher sentences after a court sentencing then? I think over here the general rule is that the requested sentence by the prosecution is 10-20% higher than out of court settlement, but I only know this for fines and don't know if it applies to more severe offenses*.

    *Friend of mine had a his word against officer's word situation, and decided not to appear in court because of the 10% higher fine if he were to be convicted, and with his word against the officer he didn't really see much value to it, especially since a court conviction carries more weight on your record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Yeah. You think 6 months is unreasonable?
    The difference between 6 months and 30 years is considerable. I don't quite grasp the logic by which a sentence can be reduced by more than 98%, just because you plead guilty. I mean, of course you need an incentive for people to confess to their crimes, but this?

    Unless, of course, the "crime" wasn't that serious to begin with.
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    Oh please. He's dead because he chose to kill himself. Not because of the prosecution. Not because of medical issues. It was 100% his choice. To try to lay partial blame on anyone else's doorstep is to excuse his cowardly pathetic behavior.

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    Why Did the Justice System Target Aaron Swartz?
    26-year-old Internet activist's tragic suicide raises questions about prosecutorial overreach


    Hundreds of mourners filled the Great Hall at New York's Cooper Union on January 19th to honor the life of Aaron Swartz, the Internet activist who took his own life earlier this month at age 26.

    Swartz was well-known in technology circles for helping develop the RSS web feed format and the popular site Reddit, among other accomplishments. At the time of his death, he was facing 13 felony charges and up to 50 years in prison: Prosecutors had accused him of using MIT's network to download too many scholarly articles from an academic database called JSTOR.

    Swartz's friends and family have said they believe he was driven to his death by a justice system that hounded him needlessly over an alleged crime with no real victims. "[He was] forced by the government to spend every fiber of his being on this damnable, senseless trial," his partner Taren Stinebrickner-Kauffman said at the memorial, "with no guarantee that he could exonerate himself at the end of it."

    Swartz's tragic death has already begun forcing lawmakers to start rethinking our draconian computer laws. And House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-California) even promised an investigation of the Justice Department prosecutors who did their best to send a young Internet pioneer to prison.

    Two zealous federal prosecutors handled Swartz's case: U.S. district attorney Carmen Ortiz and assistant attorney Stephen Heymann. In the days after his death, writers, tech experts, and many of Swartz's friends have called out Heymann and Ortiz for prosecutorial overreach. A White House petition demanding the removal of Ortiz garnered well over 25,000 signatures, reaching the level which guarantees an eventual response from the Obama administration.

    Some of Swartz's advocates believe the prosecution sought excessive punishment to set an example in the age of Wikileaks and Anonymous.

    "This was, in my opinion, part of a coordinated campaign to scare young Internet activists," says Roy Singham, ThoughtWorks chairman and a friend of Swartz.

    It's worth reviewing the so-called crime which put Swartz in the government's crosshairs. From September 24th, 2010 to January 6th, 2011, he accessed MIT's network to scrape an "extraordinary volume of articles" from the academic database JSTOR. Initially, he used the university's open wireless network to grab the files. But after several attempts by JSTOR and MIT to block him, Swartz gained access to a restricted closet and directly hardwired his laptop to the network, leaving it there to pull data.

    MIT personnel found Swartz's laptop on the morning of January 4th, 2011, and connected a second computer to the network switch to monitor Swartz's activity. They also fingerprinted Swartz's device and installed a camera in the closet to identify their culprit.

    On the same day, the U.S. Secret Service took over the investigation. Court documents reveal that Secret Service agent Michael Prickett recommended MIT personnel leave Swartz's laptop in the closet for monitoring. All acquired data was eventually disclosed to the Secret Service.

    On January 6th, 2011, MIT and Cambridge police, with the help of special agent Prickett, arrested Swartz on charges of breaking and entering with intent to commit a felony. As blogger Marcy Wheeler suggests, the early involvement of the Secret Service "makes it clear that this was a nationally directed effort to take down Swartz."

    JSTOR chose not to pursue charges against Aaron Swartz – who not only returned all downloaded content, but also ensured it "was not and would not be used, copied, transferred or distributed." That didn't stop MIT and the feds from indicting Swartz on 13 felony charges and insisting on prison time.

    Ortiz and Heymann charged Swartz under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, a 29-year-old law, notorious in the legal world for being broadly interpretable. They argued that Swartz accessed MIT and JSTOR computers without "authorization," despite MIT's extraordinarily open network policy and Swartz's legal access to JSTOR content.

    Despite admitting that Swartz wasn't financially motivated by his act – and even after learning that the 26-year-old had battled depression – Ortiz and Heymann refused to offer a deal that didn't include at least six months of prison time and a guilty plea on all 13 charges. If Swartz chose not to label himself a felon for life, he'd risk the possibility of many years in the slammer.

    Any probe into this case must raise serious questions about prosecutorial overreach by Ortiz and Heymann. Heymann's record, in particular, reeks of bullying and power-hungry ambition. A damning report from the Huffington Post paints the assistant U.S. attorney – and head of his court's computer crimes task force – as a careerist who sought tough convictions to bolster his reputation. In 2008, Heymann prosecuted another hacking case that ended with a suicide.

    But holding Heymann and Ortiz accountable, while necessary, won't be enough to stop the persecution of Internet activists and hacking culture in this country. It's time to have a serious conversation over whether Swartz's fight for free information truly warranted Secret Service investigation. Should participating in a DDoS attack, the Internet's equivalent of a sit-down strike, send someone to 30 months in prison? As Harvard professor Lawrence Lessig has put it, our government pursued Swartz as if he were a "9/11 terrorist."

    Last month, Rolling Stone's Matt Taibbi noted the absurdity of HSBC bankers skating on serious drug money laundering charges while hundreds of thousands of Americans sit behind bars for petty drug offenses. The Secret Service's involvement in hunting down a 26-year-old charged with downloading too many scholarly articles is just another example of our justice system's chillingly warped priorities.
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    I've read some things about Ortiz. Looks to me like this is one woman who should be barred from the world of law utterly and completely.

    Cae in point: They tried to sort of "eminent domain" a motel because "its crime rate was too high and thus the owner was suspected of collusion with the criminals".

    Problem with that: The real crime rate was at 19 drug arrests over a period of six years. Which, for a cheap motel in a run-down town, isn't that astounding. In that same time period, Motel 6, Walmart and Home Depot just up the street suffered the same or even higher drug arrest rates.

    The difference being, Motel 6, Walmart and Home Depot have an army of lawyers.
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    Omg, she's behind that one too?? iirc the claim was that the govt. wanted to seize that property because it was a sweet debt-free deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Omg, she's behind that one too?? iirc the claim was that the govt. wanted to seize that property because it was a sweet debt-free deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    The details of the Swartz case are so suggestive of prosecutorial abuse that they have already led to widespread condemnation of Carmen Ortiz and Stephen Heymann. However, what’s missing from much of the expressed outrage is recognition that the “bullying” tactics employed by Ms. Ortiz are standard operating procedure for federal prosecutors when pursuing criminal cases.
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    Nor is the U.S. attorney charging Russ Caswell with a crime. The feds are using a vague but increasingly common procedure known as civil asset forfeiture. In criminal forfeiture, after a person is convicted of a crime the state must prove that the perpetrator’s property had a sufficiently strong relationship to the crime to warrant seizure by the government. In civil forfeiture proceedings, the state asserts the property committed the crime, and—under civil law—the burden of proof is on the defense to demonstrate their property is innocent.

    Through a policy known as equitable sharing, “the federal government has the discretion to dispense 80%” of the proceeds of liquidated seized assets “with the local authorities [that] cooperate,” Larry Salzman—attorney for Mr. Caswell—told WhoWhatWhy in an interview. He maintains this provision creates a perverse incentive to initiate such proceedings, even when the investigating authorities have no reason to suspect criminal wrongdoing. “It’s obvious it turns the American idea of innocent until proven guilty on its head.”

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