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    Putting this here instead of General Chat, because War isn't an idle chat topic.

    My son bought the DVD recently, and he's only 14 yrs old.

    I hadn't heard of it (he watched it with his father), but it's a great movie. Disturbing, thought-provoking, controversial.

    On its heels was a PBS documentary about Love and War (someone will have to find and link that for me since my computer is being difficult), Love of War, War as an Addiction. Mars mates with Venus. We dress it up, parade it about, our violence is dramatic and passionate, is it Love?

    Will the paradox never go away, we'll just put The Bomb in different lockers and compartments, all the world is a stage, all is fair in love and war?

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    I don't know if I'd quite call it love, but I do think there's definitely a real fascination with war for most people who haven't been in one. Simply because it's alien; nobody can really relate to it unless they've been in one, and in my experience once they have any fascination has been lost. Specifically with The Hurt Locker, how many people can relate to having your life constantly being on the line like that? Very few people that I know of. I find that in media and entertainment people are inherently drawn to what's unfamiliar but interesting to them, and war would fit that.

    As for people like SFC James in the movie, that's more an addiction to the adrenaline rush involved with your life being on line like that, rather than a love or fascination with war itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Putting this here instead of General Chat, because War isn't an idle chat topic.

    My son bought the DVD recently, and he's only 14 yrs old.

    I hadn't heard of it (he watched it with his father), but it's a great movie. Disturbing, thought-provoking, controversial.

    On its heels was a PBS documentary about Love and War (someone will have to find and link that for me since my computer is being difficult), Love of War, War as an Addiction. Mars mates with Venus. We dress it up, parade it about, our violence is dramatic and passionate, is it Love?

    Will the paradox never go away, we'll just put The Bomb in different lockers and compartments, all the world is a stage, all is fair in love and war?
    I just saw this last week. I thought it was a good film with a very simple, surprisingly so, theme. It's not oscar material though.
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    War is our common element over history.

    One "theory" is that's why we Love violence, even violence as entertainment. It's familiar, we relate to it, we understand it as primal animals (even when we can't dissect it). We tend to bring its subtle ways to relationships in the form of angst or strife, opposites attracting, tensions causing passion, fights and make-up sex, contentment or peace seen as dull or not stimulating enough.

    Moderate Middle is boring. It doesn't get attention like the extremes, it can even bring scorn. People Love roller coasters and surprise elements, we even make movies and teevee shows and video games to live this out in "vicarious thrill". Surgical Strikes, War Games, First Person Shooter, linked video game killing parties, soldiers trained in the ethernet.

    It's like Nip and Tuck, push the envelope/no harm no foul, how far can we go and still look pretty?

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    Home Fires: The War Movie You Dont Want to See

    By MICHAEL JERNIGAN

    Home Fires features the writing of men and women who have returned from wartime service in the United States military.

    TAGS:

    FULL METAL JACKET, IRAQ, PLATOON, RETELLING THE WAR, THE HURT LOCKER, WAR MOVIES

    This is the second in a five-part series, “Retelling the War,” in which veterans discuss how books, movies and other tales of combat shaped their perceptions of themselves and of war.

    I was eager to see “The Hurt Locker” since it is one of the first movies about my war.

    I found it very interesting. I saw a lot of reality there. I have seen and dealt with, to a limited extent, the addiction to adrenaline. I do not know of anyone who loved it more than their wife and child, but I do know that it can be extremely addictive. Jumping out of an airplane affords great odds of survival. Combat or disarming a bomb does not afford such great odds. Your body will react similarly but with more intensity. When this occurs daily or more than once daily your body craves it like a drug addict craves a drug. I found the movie entertaining, but given my experience, I imagine it was scary to me on a different level than most.

    We don’t have a director who can step in when all hell is breaking loose and yell, “Cut!”

    War movies in general are great for what they are: entertainment. I grew up in the 1980s and saw almost all of the good war movies of that time. I was in the theater for “Full Metal Jacket” and have a copy of “Platoon” at home. I own “The Boys in Company C,” “Kelly’s Heroes,” “Sands of Iwo Jima” and a few others. Like I said, they are good entertainment. But of course there is a darker side.

    These movies glorify a situation that has no real glory in it. Turn to one of your relatives or friends who has been in combat and ask them what they think of war. I am sure that they will tell you that it is scary, gruesome and requires extreme intestinal fortitude. There are no Sgt. Strykers or Gunny Highways in the real Corps. We don’t have a director who can step in when all hell is breaking loose and yell, “Cut!”


    I joined the Marine Corps because I was looking for a way to get my life on track. My grandfather did 28 years in the Corps (Korea and Vietnam) and my father did eight years in the Corps (Vietnam), then 13 in the Army. When I was given the opportunity to go to war in Iraq I was as happy as you can imagine. That was what I grew up watching in the movies. I wanted to be my own “Animal Mother” (see: “Full Metal Jacket”).

    When I got to Iraq I soon learned that it was not the movies. In my first few weeks we drove over an I.E.D. We caught the guys as they were driving away by riddling their car with bullets from machine guns and few M-16’s. The driver was struck twice and the passenger was not shot but I think he was having a heart attack when we got over to them.

    A few days later while on a foot patrol I spotted a blue blinking light in the road and walked up to it. It was a phone taped to a canister. While running for my life the thing exploded. I was not injured but was very shaken up.

    We went to Falluja in April of 2004. Our company saw two to three firefights a day. It was the first time I saw one of my friends get shot. In one month we took light casualties (thankfully, no dead Marines). We then went to Zaidon and a handful of Marines received serious wounds. Our radio man lost his foot; one of our rifleman lost his arm. A friend of mine took shrapnel to the throat and there were other serious wounds. Thankfully, no dead Marines. After that it was back to Mahmudiya: on the second day there we drove over an I.E.D. The only casualty was our Marine “Big Country” getting a concussion from the overpressure.

    Later in the deployment my Humvee was hit by a large I.E.D. I had my forehead crushed in, lost both eyes, had to have my right hand fully reconstructed and took severe damage to my left knee. One buddy lost a foot; one of the others took shrapnel to the forehead but lived; one took superficial shrapnel wounds to the arm and one of my best friends died.

    Would you bring your children out to the battlefield to witness it live and in person?
    On a later deployment to Iraq that I did not go on, I lost three more friends to I.E.D.’s. One of them was the Navy Corpsman (Marine medic) who saved my life on the battlefield back in Mahmudiya. I have a tattoo over my left breast (where my heart is) that says “Semper Fidelis,” the Marine Corps motto. It is Latin for “Always Faithful” and refers to always accomplishing the mission. Around the “Semper Fidelis” are four names. “Thompson,” “Belchik,” Cockerham” and “Hodshire.” All great guys that I would let date my sister.

    “The Hurt Locker” and all the other movies I mentioned, whether they are good or bad as entertainment, are still war movies and war movies glorify the acts of violence that I described above. How do you feel about that? Would you bring your children out to the battlefield to witness it live and in person? There is no happy ending. Kelly does not get the gold, Stryker does not make it to the top of Mount Suribachi and 8-Ball gets cut down by a sniper. Please remember that when you watch a war movie you are watching stories about young Americans who went far from home and risked their lives; some of them died there with only their brothers in arms to witness. Hollywood is now taking our money by walking on their graves.

    Maybe that’s extreme. Of course I understand why people watch war movies. I watch them, too. But I have seen my friends die and most of the movies just bring up very painful memories.
    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...t-want-to-see/

    (not sure how he "saw" the movie since he was blinded in combat in '04....)


    Found three clips of PBS show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5faJvIuOrU

    Sublime Terror
    Love of the Unit

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    Interesting article.

    All film-making is more or less poaching some aspect of real life for etertainment and monetary gain. War in particular makes great stories for a number of different reasons. A lot of the films are intended to try to expose the wider community to what those who fight war are enduring and to honor the soldier on some level. Some are cautionary in that respect. Seems pointless to resent people making money from the films - unless you're talking about shit like Rambo.... Also, funny he didn't mention seeing Saving Private Ryan....
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    When I was given the opportunity to go to war in Iraq I was as happy as you can imagine. That was what I grew up watching in the movies. I wanted to be my own “Animal Mother” (see: “Full Metal Jacket”).
    uh huh

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