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    Default "Heroin deaths nearly quadruple" between 2002 and 2013.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health...oss-us-n388006

    Rand, how about this one: now that marijuana is unprofitable, the other federally illegal drugs now have a profit margin squeeze. More drugs = cheaper price = more deaths.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erika Edwards and Bree Douglas, NBC News, Jul 7 2015, 1:01 pm ET
    Heroin use has dramatically increased across the U.S., spreading to groups it hadn't previously reached, and deaths from overdose have soared, according to a new federal report released Tuesday.

    Heroin deaths nearly quadrupled in the decade between 2002 and 2013, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports. Rates of abuse doubled among women and went up 50 percent among men during the same time period.

    "Heroin use in the United States increased 63 percent from 2002 through 2013. This increase occurred among a broad range of demographics, including men and women, most age groups, and all income levels," the CDC says in its report, attributing much of the increase to users who started abusing prescription painkillers and then moved on to heroin.

    "What's most striking and troubling is that we're seeing heroin diffusing throughout society to groups that it hasn't touched before," CDC director Dr. Tom Frieden told NBC News.

    "We're seeing heroin affecting people in urban and rural areas, white, black and Hispanic, low middle and high income. We're seeing heroin diffusing throughout society but we can turn this around."

    The reasons are complicated -- drug abuse overall is up, and more people are using prescription painkillers. Heroin is a cheap and more easily available alternative to these prescription drugs for people who become addicted to them.

    "They are addicted to prescription opiates because they are essentially the same chemical with the same effect on the brain as heroin," Frieden told a news conference. "Heroin costs roughly 5 times less than prescription opiates on the street."

    Not only that, but cheaper, purer heroin is coming into the United States. This makes it easier to overdose. "Between 2002 and 2013, the rate of heroin-related overdose deaths nearly quadrupled, and more than 8,200 people died in 2013," CDC said.

    The absolute numbers are still low — fewer than 1 percent of people abuse heroin, CDC said.

    For the report, the Food and Drug Administration and the CDC analyzed data from the National Survey on Drug Use and Health from 2002-2013. This report captures thousands of Americans, but misses the military, homeless and prison populations. So it may actually understate the extent of the heroin abuse problem.

    "Annual average rates of past-year heroin use increased from 1.6 per 1,000 persons aged 12 years or older in 2002-2004 to 2.6 per 1,000 in 2011-2013," the report reads.

    "In 2013, an estimated 517,000 persons reported past-year heroin abuse or dependence, a nearly 150 percent increase since 2007," CDC added.

    "During 2002-2013, heroin overdose death rates nearly quadrupled in the United States, from 0.7 deaths to 2.7 deaths per 100,000 population, with a near doubling of the rates from 2011-2013."

    Heroin kills by causing slow and shallow breathing. Multiple drug use worsens the effect. "People often use heroin along with other drugs or alcohol. This practice is especially dangerous because it increases the risk of overdose," CDC said.

    Heroin users also risk getting infections like HIV and hepatitis.

    The report fits in with what other government agencies have been saying.

    Last year, the Drug Enforcement Administration found a four-fold increase in heroin seizures along the southwest border since 2008, with 4,653 pounds being confiscated last year.

    Frieden says law enforcement needs help stopping it. "The less accessible it is and the more difficult and the more expensive it is to get, the fewer people will use it," he said.

    The Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration has reported a steady increase in heroin abuse nationwide, with an estimated 669,000 American users in 2012.

    And The Journal of the American Medical Association published a study in 2014 that showed heroin users are changing. While in past decades people from many races used heroin, 90 percent of people who began using in the past decade are white, and many live outside of major cities, the study found.

    CDC and FDA found a similar pattern. "During 2002-2011, rates of heroin initiation were reported to be highest among males, persons aged 18-25 years, non-His*panic whites, those with an annual household income more than $20,000, and those residing in the Northeast," CDC said.

    "Most heroin users have a history of nonmedical use of prescription opioid pain relievers, and an increase in the rate of heroin overdose deaths has occurred concurrently with an epidemic of prescription opioid overdoses."

    Users say they move to heroin after they get addicted to prescription drugs - often during legitimate use for a medical condition - and then their supply dries up.

    And it's easy to get addicted to opiate painkillers, Frieden said.

    "A few doses and someone can have a life of addiction. A few pills too many and someone can die from an overdose," he said.

    But that's not the only reason heroin use is up.

    "The highest rate was consistently found among users of cocaine; during 2011-2013, this rate was 91.5 per 1,000," CDC said.

    "Past-year alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, and opioid pain reliever abuse or depen*dence were each significant risk factors for heroin abuse or dependence. Research has identified poly-substance use as a risk factor for overdose death; most overdose deaths involve mul*tiple drugs."

    CDC said states can do a lot more to help fight heroin abuse.

    "Specifically, a focus on reducing opioid pain reliever abuse is needed," it said.

    Drug registries, educating doctors and patients, and programs to help people avoid becoming dependent on pain medications can all help. Prescription drug monitoring programs help doctors identify potential abusers. "Providers can analyze patient prescription drug history and make informed decisions before prescribing opioid painkillers," CDC said.

    Some policymakers have worried that tightening access to painkillers might drive addicts to heroin. But Frieden said that's not really true. "Improving prescribing practices for prescription opiates is part of the solution, not part of the cause, of the heroin problem," he said.

    Some doctors may be overusing opiate painkillers, Frieden said.

    "If someone has sever terminal pain from cancer, you absolutely want to provide pain relief," he said. The same goes fpr severe pain from, say, a car crash.

    "For chronic, non-cancer pain, you really have to look at the risks and benefits," he added. "And the risks are very, very clear."

    Alternatives include safer non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen; physical therapy and even ice, Frieden said.

    Wider use of the rescue drug naloxone can also help reduce deaths, CDC said. Naloxone, also known by its trade name Narcan, works within minutes to reverse the effects of an overdose by sticking to brain cells and keeping the drug from getting in.

    Erika Edwards and Bree Douglas contributed to this article.

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    I like that thesis of yours, "now that marijuana is unprofitable." Because it is legal in what, four states, all of them within the last three or four years? Maybe you should consider that perhaps the hypothesis suggested in the article might be correct, that the easy but pricey access to opioid prescription medication (which cannabis is not) is the driving factor.

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    Maybe drug dealers have discovered the Tardis according to Ag? Afterall Alaska and Oregon legalised marijuana in 2014 which apparently played a nationwide role in 2002-13. The two other States that have legalised marijuana did so in late 2012 but I don't think that has a thing to do with this change either.

    Evidence would be looking at the changes in States that have legalised marijuana after they did so.
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    What fuzzy said. Plus, from my own experience here - everybody knows where to get (legal) weed, but most people do not know where to get heroin. Because one is legal but pretty tightly monitored, they don't want to get in trouble by having illegal substances as well. Where as when you get weed from a dealer, he also has other stuff (though even then usually not heroin, but definitely cocaine and mdma). And when border cities here tightened access to coffeeshops, there was a strong increase in street dealers that were caught carrying more than just weed.
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    The heroin increase is tied to the crackdown on painkillers.

    Fewer legal drugs = more deaths.
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    Oh, and: weed is legal to sell here but still very much profitable. And to be honest I think that for most hard drugs price isn't really the issue for getting into it. Unless it seriously plummeted, of course, but I think even halving the price for most won't really affect things that much.
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    The article says it is cheaper tho, not more (edit) expensive... EDIT: Ominous Gamer, I don't see the article saying there are more people using heroin because prescriptions are less available. I'd say they are more available.

    Rand, I don't think a state-by-state comparison would tell the whole story because these drugs are sold wholesale by various gangs in the national market.
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    You ignore the whole fact that the timeline doesn't match your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    You ignore the whole fact that the timeline doesn't match your point.
    Buuut, medical marijuana was legalized in California in 2003 for a wide array of medical purposes, and it is the biggest state, population-wise, and also pretty close to the border...

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    From the article and the CDC director:
    "Most heroin users have a history of nonmedical use of prescription opioid pain relievers, and an increase in the rate of heroin overdose deaths has occurred concurrently with an epidemic of prescription opioid overdoses."

    Users say they move to heroin after they get addicted to prescription drugs - often during legitimate use for a medical condition - and then their supply dries up.
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    Yes, sure, I'll believe that, LittleFuzzy, but that doesn't mean that this "increase in the rate of heroin overdose deaths" (presumably as a percent of the general population) is due to a worse availability of prescription opiods. If anything, it would mean there is a bigger availability of prescription opiods (due to "Obamacare"??), but we don't know the more detailed numbers or the graph here to even try to separate that from possibly cheaper and more available heroin due to marijuana becoming cheaper and less lucrative.

    P.S.: Occam's Razor.
    Last edited by agamemnus; 07-08-2015 at 04:50 AM.

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    I don't think you're grasping the things Flixy and OG are saying and which the article is reinforcing, Aga.
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    Occam's Razor suggests that what the article explains as the explanation (a simple one) is the explanation, rather than your unsuggested convolution explanation that doesn't match the timeline. That's why nobody is agreeing with you.
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    The article isn't giving an explanation. You guys are just finding it and adding words into it mentally to support your pre-conceived notions.

    I don't understand why you think my explanation, which isn't convoluted at all (just economic theory...) doesn't match the timeline.

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    Yes it does. Opioid painkillers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agamemnus View Post
    The article isn't giving an explanation. You guys are just finding it and adding words into it mentally to support your pre-conceived notions.

    I don't understand why you think my explanation, which isn't convoluted at all (just economic theory...) doesn't match the timeline.
    The article very clearly spells out where the CDC director sees the increase coming from; people switching from prescription opiates to heroin when their access to the prescription drugs dries up. Your "economic theory" is just grabbing two things that you think have a loose correlation in time-frame and insisting they're closely competing products. That's not proper application of theory to reality and you know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agamemnus View Post
    Yes, sure, I'll believe that, LittleFuzzy, but that doesn't mean that this "increase in the rate of heroin overdose deaths" (presumably as a percent of the general population) is due to a worse availability of prescription opiods. If anything, it would mean there is a bigger availability of prescription opiods (due to "Obamacare"??), but we don't know the more detailed numbers or the graph here to even try to separate that from possibly cheaper and more available heroin due to marijuana becoming cheaper and less lucrative.

    P.S.: Occam's Razor.
    Quote Originally Posted by agamemnus View Post
    The article isn't giving an explanation. You guys are just finding it and adding words into it mentally to support your pre-conceived notions.

    I don't understand why you think my explanation, which isn't convoluted at all (just economic theory...) doesn't match the timeline.
    First off, opioid prescriptions (and addictions) escalated decades ago, and has nothing to do with "Obamacare". Secondly, heroin isn't cheaper and more available because marijuana is becoming cheaper and less lucrative.

    If you want to use an economic model of supply-and-demand....people who got physician-prescribed opioid pain relief are turning to heroin in greater numbers because (a) their addiction is the demand, and (b) their legitimate supply is cut-off. The history of new/strong pharmaceuticals, 'loose' prescription practices, and the unknown science of addictions explains a lot.

    <Oxycontin was given out like candy (or penicillin) when it was the best new drug for post-op pain or temporary pain relief....until the family medicine chest became profitable, and it was traded like a street drug. It took a long time for the medical community to realize its addictive powers, but by then it was too late to simply write fewer scripts.>

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    The article very clearly spells out where the CDC director sees the increase coming from; people switching from prescription opiates to heroin when their access to the prescription drugs dries up.
    I disagree. It doesn't make the logical jump you guys are saying it does. It doesn't say that from 2002 and 2013, prescription drugs suddenly started drying up. It just doesn't!

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    I already quoted where it says precisely that. ". . .they move to heroin after they get addicted to prescription drugs - often during legitimate use for a medical condition - and then their supply dries up."
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    Prescription drugs dries up when the prescription expires. As the article said if you'd read it, or read the many replies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Prescription drugs dries up when the prescription expires. As the article said if you'd read it, or read the many replies.
    What does that have to do with anything?

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    Aggie, would you mind giving a short summary of what you're trying to say in this thread about this issue? I'm having a hard time figuring it out.
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    More drugs = cheaper price = more deaths. (marijuana margins are now NON-EXISTENT, so drug dealers are going for the harder drugs. That reduces the price as there is more competition.)

    The prescription thing is purely anecdotal. There isn't any mention of prescriptions becoming shorter or more addictive from 2002-2013.

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    Yes there is, if you bothered to look for it.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/b...ry.html#page=1

    Overdose deaths related to prescription opioids like oxycodone, hydrocodone and methadone declined by 15 percent, from 208 to 177 in the same periods. Overall drug overdose deaths rose 6 percent.

    A collective effort in recent years by federal, state and local governments, law enforcement agencies and medical communities to control an epidemic of prescription drug abuse has slashed the number of prescriptions being issued for commonly abused pills.

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    Law enforcement aggressively pursued drug mills and clinics selling drugs illegally. A Maryland law passed in 2011 called for the creation of a monitoring system that will require pharmacies to log filled prescriptions in a database. Doctors and other prescribers will have access to the database, which Health Secretary Joshua M. Sharfstein said will be up and running by the end of 2013.

    In the meantime, electronic records made it easier for doctors to see a patient's drug history and deny prescriptions to those who may visit several physicians for access to pills.

    The efforts diminished the availability of those drugs on the street, which drove up prices and made heroin a cheaper and more readily available alternative.
    Though there us no mention I can find for what you're dating. Got any actual information on what you're claiming, other than what you say yourself? Is the price of heroin really decreasing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by agamemnus View Post
    What does that have to do with anything?
    I begin to understand your repeated disbelief at how hard it is for you to get work in your field.
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    You mean the field of adding stuff into the "???" row? I don't work in that field. Also, cut out the ad hominem or I'll have to cease replying to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    Yes there is, if you bothered to look for it.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/b...ry.html#page=1



    Though there us no mention I can find for what you're dating. Got any actual information on what you're claiming, other than what you say yourself? Is the price of heroin really decreasing?
    Ok, good. Now, I will look through this and see. However, the article I linked doesn't mention anything about what you are all claiming. My argument is just an argument that explains what is happening through economics.


    Edit:

    All right, so this article you linked is about Maryland, not about the entire United States.

    The efforts diminished the availability of those drugs on the street, which drove up prices and made heroin a cheaper and more readily available alternative.
    I assume that this quote means that the prices of prescription drugs being sold illegally on the street went up as a result of a crackdown, making heroin relatively more affordable. But, maybe heroin actually became cheaper in price as well, which would mean that there is another factor at work, such as my theory. It can't be falling demand, since demand (in Maryland) actually went up.

    So, I'll accept the argument that a fall in the amount of painkillers available on the street due to a painkiller prescription crackdown in Maryland makes more people heroin addicts... for Maryland. However, it doesn't mean this is the same all around the country (since, again, the article I linked does not actually mention this), nor does it disprove my own idea.
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    ..it literally said (in the part I actually quoted even) that prescription drug abuse is being cracked down, making it harder to get them, which is why they switch to heroin. Literally. Word for word. I'm not sure why you think it doesn't say that?

    And you still have to show any evidence for your theory.
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    For Maryland! (edited post above)

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    Quote Originally Posted by agamemnus View Post

    All right, so this article you linked is about Maryland, not about the entire United States.



    I assume that this quote means that the prices of prescription drugs being sold illegally on the street went up as a result of a crackdown, making heroin relatively more affordable. But, maybe heroin actually became cheaper in price as well, which would mean that there is another factor at work, such as my theory. It can't be falling demand, since demand (in Maryland) actually went up.

    So, I'll accept the argument that a fall in the amount of painkillers available on the street due to a painkiller prescription crackdown in Maryland makes more people heroin addicts... for Maryland. However, it doesn't mean this is the same all around the country (since, again, the article I linked does not actually mention this), nor does it disprove my own idea.
    The crackdown on prescription drugs wasn't just in Maryland though, so there's no reason to assume it doesn't happen in other places as well.


    Your entire theory depends on the 'maybe' you mention, so sure, you might be right about something, but you have yet to give even a shred of evidence that this is actually happening. You only linked to one source, and that one didn't mention anything about your theory. So I've got a source supporting my argument for at least one state, proving it's as least possible, where as you have shown.. well, nothing at all. Sure, what I've linked doesn't disprove what you say, but you haven't shown anything supporting what you say, let alone proving it.
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