Racism and Tea Partiers Part Deux

[Dreadnaught]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGqPo5ofk0s



Los Angeles HS teacher Ron Gochez talks about how he is in "Stolen, occupied Mexico" where other Latin Americans must honor Fidel Castro and further "Communist Revolution" against the "frail, racist white people". It makes sense after all, he is the "Northern Front of Latin Revolution...40 million revolutionaries in the belly of the beast."

This video is apparently a few years old, but suddenly surfacing again because the guy is still active and immigration is heating up again as a US political issue. You can find him all over the place online in the LA-area La Raza.

My point is this: It seems sorta silly to wring hands at whether the "Tea Partiers" are "racist" because some rallies have racist signs and a few idiots in the crowd, when there are actual racists speaking at rallies and generating applause.

[Hazir]

You don't see the difference between some fringe idiots that are being ignored and fringe idiots that are being fêted by a major political party?

[Dreadnaught]

Except the Tea Partiers (who are hard to define) aren't fringe idiots. They have people in the crowds who sometimes say improper things. Those people aren't invited to the podium.

[Ominous Gamer]

They have people in the crowds who sometimes say improper things. Those people aren't invited to the podium.

So telling a crowd to hang a Senator isn't improper?
Gay baiting, thats never improper.

[CitizenCain]

So telling a crowd to hang a Senator isn't improper?

Well, it's clearly unfair. They really should hang the other 99 too.

[Lewkowski]

The vast majority of Tea Party folks are not racist. In fact there is a good chance that several of the the party events have had liberals deliberately make them look bad by creating those signs and pretending to be a tea party supporter.

[GGT]

Vast left wing conspiracy, huh Lewk.

[Lewkowski]

Vast left wing conspiracy, huh Lewk.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=138741
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9F1PU2O0

Its not vast - but certain liberal groups are doing this.

[Nessus]

Loonie classroom teacher embraces left-wing ideals

Nullifies Sarah Palin

Crowds rejoice

Whoops, wasn't quite that simple

Can you see why, Dread

Can you see why the money-hoarding, political big-wig Rightist lunatics are abjectly terrifying when they make noises, and a silly school teacher is a silly teacher?

No? Alright then.

[Dreadnaught]

You think teachers aren't influential?

[Hazir]

You think teachers aren't influential?

Very obviously this one isn't.

[GGT]

So you used youtube to revive an old video to prove what....?

[Nessus]

A teacher, singular? Meh.

Teachers, plural? Contrasted to Pubbie horrors like Palin and the old white men behind her? Please.

[LittleFuzzy]

A teacher, singular? Meh.

Teachers, plural? Contrasted to Pubbie horrors like Palin and the old white men behind her? Please.

How is Palin scary? She has no power and never will again.

[Nessus]

How is Palin scary? She has no power and never will again.

This hinges on the idea that a noticeable segment of the population has no power, either; fine and well by itself, but not exactly the kind of message one'd expect from the faggot liberation front

[LittleFuzzy]

This hinges on the idea that a noticeable segment of the population has no power, either; fine and well by itself, but not exactly the kind of message one'd expect from the faggot liberation front

Oh, so now we're not talking about Palin again, but every member of the Tea Party in aggregate. Where again you have to face the fact that as a group, none of the things they can manage to present coherently is particularly objectionable. At that level, it's still amounting to "rein in spending" with lots of white noise in the background. Pick your poison, Nessus. If you want to focus on them as having grassroots power, then you have to look analyze 'em as a movement and not as individuals. If you want to look at high-profile "voices", then those spokespeople have to actually be able to accomplish something besides making money on the talking circuit. Right now, you've got nothing to go on but "I'm aware of something I don't like" to justify the label "scary" and that sort of superficial approach is GGT's forte. Visibility by itself is meaningless.

[Nessus]

Oh, so now we're not talking about Palin again, but every member of the Tea Party in aggregate. Where again you have to face the fact that as a group, none of the things they can manage to present coherently is particularly objectionable. At that level, it's still amounting to "rein in spending" with lots of white noise in the background. Pick your poison, Nessus. If you want to focus on them as having grassroots power, then you have to look analyze 'em as a movement and not as individuals. If you want to look at high-profile "voices", then those spokespeople have to actually be able to accomplish something besides making money on the talking circuit. Right now, you've got nothing to go on but "I'm aware of something I don't like" to justify the label "scary" and that sort of superficial approach is GGT's forte. Visibility by itself is meaningless.

But but

Can't I call faggots faggots anymore

You're making uncle Jefferson cry

[Dreadnaught]

A teacher, singular? Meh.

Teachers, plural? Contrasted to Pubbie horrors like Palin and the old white men behind her? Please.

The average high schooler is more likely to be influenced by their teacher than Sarah Palin. Almost all of my pre-college teachers were fairly to very left wing, but they at least kept it mostly to themselves. Though they still influenced me and everyone around me.

[Nessus]

The average high schooler is more likely to be influenced by their teacher than Sarah Palin. Almost all of my pre-college teachers were fairly to very left wing, but they at least kept it mostly to themselves. Though they still influenced me and everyone around me.

The average high schooler also cannot vote.

It's very cute of you to push shows like Boston Public, but that avenue is almost as dead as Bela Lugosi. I couldn't give you the names of three of my SS teachers, and given your own transmogrification in spite of your left wing pre-college teachers, well, it's not a huge stretch to image other effete dandies can overcome Trostkyism by their twenties. Unless you want to consider your own clarity of opinions a sign of their superiority, which is fair enough I suppose.

This entire discussion is, nonetheless, a huge red herring. To contrast the under-paid, unvalued whores of the system with demagogues and crowd-movers like Palin is as dishonest as it is abhorrent. If I were truly cynical I'd compare the monetary value of each

[CitizenCain]

The average high schooler also cannot vote.

It's very cute of you to push shows like Boston Public, but that avenue is almost as dead as Bela Lugosi. I couldn't give you the names of three of my SS teachers, and given your own transmogrification in spite of your left wing pre-college teachers, well, it's not a huge stretch to image other effete dandies can overcome Trostkyism by their twenties. Unless you want to consider your own clarity of opinions a sign of their superiority, which is fair enough I suppose.

You know, it almost sounds like you're saying that propagandizing the wee ones is OK, because only the liberals do it, and they're not very good at it.

Definitely too subtle, because you actually CAN see OG saying that.

Yeah, it's not a problem I have often - being too subtle - but I'm at a loss to think of a bat-shit-crazy hard leftie thing you CAN'T see OG saying. <sigh>

[Nessus]

You know, it almost sounds like you're saying that propagandizing the wee ones is OK, because only the liberals do it, and they're not very good at it.

No dear, those are the voices in your head. Remember what we talked about those? No, don't shove the pencil in your arm dear. That's right, you don't have to listen to the voices. No, even when they talk about the pencils. Or the liberals.

No dear it's okay you don't have to chew on the curtains the liberals can't get you here.

[Dreadnaught]

The average high schooler also cannot vote.

It's very cute of you to push shows like Boston Public, but that avenue is almost as dead as Bela Lugosi. I couldn't give you the names of three of my SS teachers, and given your own transmogrification in spite of your left wing pre-college teachers, well, it's not a huge stretch to image other effete dandies can overcome Trostkyism by their twenties. Unless you want to consider your own clarity of opinions a sign of their superiority, which is fair enough I suppose.

This entire discussion is, nonetheless, a huge red herring. To contrast the under-paid, unvalued whores of the system with demagogues and crowd-movers like Palin is as dishonest as it is abhorrent. If I were truly cynical I'd compare the monetary value of each

The vast majority of my high school class consists of left wingers and semi-employed socialists, so on the contrary environment actually does matter.

[Loki]

I like how the guy simultaneously voices support for communism and Mexican nationalism. These national socialists are amusing.

[Nessus]

I wish you would cease using that term

[Loki]

Then maybe these people should stop being national socialists.

[Nessus]

[Loki]

I do want to know how they justify simultaneously calling for a world revolution and wanting to aggrandize their worthless piece of territory.

[Nessus]

You've always hated the dystopia in the concept of corporate dystopia, though

[Ominous Gamer]

Dread doesn't want to comment on the properness of hanging a Senator?

dang

[CitizenCain]

besides, since when was homophobia and calls for violence against politicians (or anyone) simply "over-the-top"?

Dread doesn't want to comment on the properness of hanging a Senator?

Do you want to comment on how you've stated that anyone who opposes universal healthcare should be deported? That's pretty fucking extreme, and unAmerican too, and I know you've said it, and believe it, since I read a Democrat saying that very thing on the DailyKOS.

Was that too subtle for you, or are you grasping the point yet?