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    Default Dystopian Nightmare of Long-Term Healthcare

    Companion piece to Dread's thread on India and NHS. 80 million aging baby boomers is a much smaller number than India's population problem, but it's stunning to realize there's no real national plan for that time ahead.



    Ignore Long-Term Care Planning at Your Peril

    By RON LIEBER
    Published: November 4, 2010


    Long-term care insurance ought to be an easy sell to families facing the sandwich challenge. Aging parents can buy it for themselves to cover the costs for a lengthy nursing home stay, for assisted living or for a health aide at home a few hours each day.

    Or, adult children of parents whose income is limited could buy policies for their parents. That way, the children shield themselves from the cost of their parents’ care later.

    But something seems dreadfully wrong in the insurance market for long-term care.

    In 2009, there were fewer new individual buyers of the insurance than in any year since Limra, a market research firm, began tracking the data in 1988. It was also the first year that the number of existing policies did not increase.

    This year, big players in the industry like John Hancock and MetLife have announced their intent to raise annual premiums by up to a jaw-dropping 40 percent if state regulators let them.

    You would think that there would be far more than seven million policyholders, given that costs for long-term care could easily reach seven (yes, seven) figures per individual 20 or 30 years from now.

    As you dig deeper, however, you discover at least nine things standing in the way of consumers purchasing coverage, all of which are outlined below. They’re all complicated, with some reflecting outright ignorance and odd rationalizations rooted in emotion. But there is also a great deal of justified skepticism about the long-term care insurance industry.

    So consider this a test of whether you’re ultimately delusional about your risks and the cost of being wrong.

    MEDICARE COVERAGE

    According to a 2009 Prudential survey, 37 percent of people think that Medicare will cover their long-term care costs.

    But it won’t. Medicare may pay for a nursing home stay under certain circumstances, but it won’t cover long-term care there. The same thing is true with at-home care.

    THE ODDS OF NEEDING CARE

    Why invest in insurance if there’s a chance you’ll never need it? It’s a reasonable question, so consider your odds.

    The consulting firm Milliman, which does a lot of work for the long-term care insurance industry, thinks your odds aren’t so great. For people age 65 and older who have long-term care insurance, there is a 45 percent chance of making a claim, though it ranges from 30 to 56 percent depending on gender and marital status.

    Using data from long-term care insurance policies that have no spending limits, Milliman also estimates that once you’ve made a claim, the chances that you will continue needing care for more than three years is at least 13.9 percent. There is a 4.3 percent chance of it exceeding five years.

    SELF-FUNDING COST

    How much might it cost to pay for care yourself? Last week, MetLife, a big seller of long-term care insurance, released new survey data suggesting that the average rate for a private room in a nursing home was now $229 a night, or $83,585 a year, on average, though it can range widely by geography. Average costs for home health aides are $21 an hour.

    And what is the true cost of being among the unlucky here if you roll the dice and buy no insurance at all? Ralph Leisle, who runs a software and consulting company focused on long-term care insurance, tried to figure this out in an article in The Journal of Financial Service Professionals in January 2008.

    He took a 55-year-old couple and assumed one of them would need four years of care starting at age 75. The current cost of care was $200 a day and would rise by 5 percent annually.

    Including the opportunity cost of lost investment gains (6 percent after taxes) from money that ended up being spent on care instead, the total cost without insurance would be about $1.5 million.

    Scary, right? Perhaps you could drain your retirement accounts and sell your home or take out a reverse mortgage to pay for the $800,000 in care that was part of this assumption, if it came to that. But then there might be little or nothing left to pay the expenses of the surviving spouse.

    COUNTING ON MEDICAID

    Medicaid will pay for nursing home costs, and depending on your state, some other types of long-term care, too. But first, you have to qualify, and that usually means spending most of the money you have.

    Still, plenty of people do qualify because they have very little or no savings. Others count on qualifying someday if they need a lot of long-term care. Amy Finkelstein and Jeffrey R. Brown, two economists who have studied long-term care insurance, call this an “implicit tax” on private long-term care insurance. After all, why buy private insurance when Medicaid would pay for much of what the insurance company is paying for?

    While many people probably think this way, Medicaid may not offer the same choices that a long-term care policy will. The best or closest nursing home facility may not take Medicaid patients, for instance, or have room for any when you need it. Program restrictions will only grow over time, given the precarious state of the federal and state budgets that pay for it.

    Plus, it is not many people’s idea of a good way to spend your final years. “I don’t think anybody who has worked and saved for a lifetime to accumulate assets now looks and says ‘Great, how do I end my life on welfare?’ ” said Jesse Slome of the American Association for Long Term Care Insurance, a membership organization for people who sell the policies.

    THE CHILDREN AS NURSES

    If you changed your children’s diapers, then they should be prepared to change yours someday too, right?

    This is the sort of thing you might say if you’ve never actually had to change an adult relative’s diapers. Or if you’ve never lived through an experience where one nearby relative had to do most of the care, leading to the relative’s physical exhaustion, emotional devastation and extreme financial sacrifice from lost wages.

    “The best sales tool we have is their bad experience,” Curt Vahle writes in his book, “How to Sell Long Term Care Insurance to Mr. and Mrs. Jones.”

    And while in some cultures or communities, putting a parent in a nursing home is simply not an option, plenty of people planning for their long-term care needs want to shield their children from having to help physically at all. “I don’t want my daughter putting me in the bathtub, especially when I get old and my breasts get bigger than hers,” said Mr. Slome. “There is a sense of personal dignity that you work your whole life for.”

    THE CHILDREN AS FINANCIERS

    Still other parents assume, without really asking, that their children will pay for their care if the parents run out of money. Or one sibling assumes, without ever discussing it with the others, that the children will split any costs for care equally.

    Mr. Slome said that it was best not to leave such things unspoken. “Have that conversation and create a written contractual agreement,” he said. “Because what people say and what they do are typically two very different things.”

    And consider the fact that your children or other relatives, if any, may not have any spare money when the time comes, even if they agree to help at some later date. Imagine how different these conversations would have sounded in 2006 and in 2009.

    THE GOVERNMENT’S PLAN

    One part of the landmark health care bill earlier this year is something called the Class Act. In effect, it sets the government up in the long-term care insurance business.

    No one will be able to enroll until 2012 at the earliest, and the plan may not pay much more than $75 or $100 a day for claims (and only after a five-year period of paying premiums first), though that will be indexed for inflation. Still, since it will be easier to qualify for this coverage than for private insurance, where a medical exam is often necessary, it may be tempting for people to wait and enroll in a couple of years. (Which may turn out fine as long as the program doesn’t get delayed until 2016 and you don’t need care before then.)

    The truly cynical may want to max out coverage, assuming that the government will underprice premiums to appease taxpayers and legislators who have pushed for this sort of program for years. And $100 a day will cover four hours a day of care at home, even if it covers only a fraction of nursing home costs.

    Just keep your fingers crossed and hope that the federal government doesn’t change the rules or tax the benefit just when you’re getting ready to take it 20 years from now. Not many people expected Social Security benefits to ever be subject to taxes, after all.

    THE COST TODAY

    In the first half of 2010, individuals buying through an insurance agent or financial adviser paid a $2,180 annual premium for common plans that pay claims that are not taxable for the policy holder. Given the price tag, it’s easy to see why shoppers might have demurred as the economy swooned over the last two years.

    And for people who are struggling, paying for health insurance in the here and now is probably a higher priority.

    FUTURE COSTS

    Long-term care insurance premiums aren’t like those for, say, term life insurance. They can go up. The fact that they didn’t rise very often until recently led many agents to lead customers to believe (or buyers to fool themselves into believing) that they would never go up.

    But now, stalwarts like John Hancock and MetLife are trying to raise rates by large amounts, even as others like New York Life have never had a premium increase.

    Rochelle Fulleton, a 73-year-old who lives in Camarillo, Calif., and bought long-term care insurance when she was in her 50s, recently received a letter from MetLife letting her know that it intended to raise her $2,968 annual premium by 39 percent.

    “This is an assault on the most vulnerable part of the population,” she said. “I understand that they don’t want to pay the bill, but they are the ones who wrote the policies and they have actuarial tables and they knew about inflation costs in medical care even back then.”

    A MetLife spokeswoman said that the company actually had not anticipated the costs. “While we are sensitive to any rate increase that impacts our policyholders, assumptions used to initially price many long-term care insurance products have changed,” Karen Eldred said in a statement. She added that the company misjudged interest rates, life expectancy and the number of people who would drop their policies.

    The good news here is that the increase seems to be necessary in part because long-term care itself is so good. People are staying alive longer than companies predicted, and they’re continuing to pay their premiums for longer periods of time, too, in order to remain eligible for that care.

    But the bad news is that a price increase of this magnitude suggests that some companies had no idea how to set prices on many of their policies. If they have it wrong today too, you could sign up for a $2,500 premium at age 60 and end up paying two or three times as much for it when you’re 85 and on a fixed income.

    If you have no interest in turning your money over to companies who have gotten it so wrong, I salute you. But if the insurance company professionals can blow the projections, you certainly can too. So you had better have a plan, and a backup plan, too, for when your forecasts inevitably go awry.

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    This was a good sobering read. Though how exactly does long term care insurance work? I mean, how can you insure against the near-certainty that a particular pool of insureds will need long term care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    This was a good sobering read. Though how exactly does long term care insurance work? I mean, how can you insure against the near-certainty that a particular pool of insureds will need long term care?
    I'm not sure they can. That's one of the complications of our private-public mixed system.

    So consider this a test of whether you’re ultimately delusional about your risks and the cost of being wrong.
    If you have no interest in turning your money over to companies who have gotten it so wrong, I salute you. But if the insurance company professionals can blow the projections, you certainly can too. So you had better have a plan, and a backup plan, too, for when your forecasts inevitably go awry.
    Pick your delusion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    This was a good sobering read. Though how exactly does long term care insurance work? I mean, how can you insure against the near-certainty that a particular pool of insureds will need long term care?
    I don't see as a near certainty. Plenty of people die before needing long term care. Maybe I'm lucky but none of my grandparents or my wife's grandparents have needed long term care. Between 4 Grandfathers and 4 Grandmothers, 5 have died without needing long term care and the other three are still self sufficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    This was a good sobering read. Though how exactly does long term care insurance work? I mean, how can you insure against the near-certainty that a particular pool of insureds will need long term care?
    I don't see as a near certainty. Plenty of people die before needing long term care. Maybe I'm lucky but none of my grandparents or my wife's grandparents have needed long term care. Between 4 Grandfathers and 4 Grandmothers, 5 have died without needing long term care and the other three are still self sufficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    I don't see as a near certainty. Plenty of people die before needing long term care. Maybe I'm lucky but none of my grandparents or my wife's grandparents have needed long term care. Between 4 Grandfathers and 4 Grandmothers, 5 have died without needing long term care and the other three are still self sufficient.
    In your family 5/8 simply died. 3/8 haven't needed long term care. Yet. That's not quite how actuarial science works. The point is that technology and medical advances will keep us alive longer, but often with new medical needs. Those needs will require some level of skilled care, convalescent care, end of life care, or constant care. And it will be quite expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    In your family 5/8 simply died. 3/8 haven't needed long term care. Yet. That's not quite how actuarial science works. The point is that technology and medical advances will keep us alive longer, but often with new medical needs. Those needs will require some level of skilled care, convalescent care, end of life care, or constant care. And it will be quite expensive.
    I think the percentage of folks who use up more then 100k of long term care over the past 10 years is pretty small. Sure its anecdotal but I don't think my situation is different then most peoples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    I think the percentage of folks who use up more then 100k of long term care over the past 10 years is pretty small. Sure its anecdotal but I don't think my situation is different then most peoples.
    It's the next ten years, and the ten years after that, that changes the picture. Surely you see that ten years ago, giving a stroke victim high quality care cost less than it does today. The same care has exponentially rising costs as time goes by. And people are living longer because of better care.

    Edit: The last 20 years has proven that family taking care of the first cusp of baby boomers can lead to medical bankruptcy. It's only getting worse as time goes by. People live longer with more ailments and pre-existing conditions, and more expectations from medical science. Extended family lives farther away. Millions of people are now in the Sandwich Generation, trying to work / raise their own kids / care for elderly parents. It hasn't hit crisis mode yet, but it will. And soon.
    Last edited by GGT; 11-15-2010 at 06:06 AM.

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    So then how does this insurance actually turn a profit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    So then how does this insurance actually turn a profit?
    The same way all insurance turns a profit; put unintelligable cancellation provisions in the fine print.
    Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    So then how does this insurance actually turn a profit?
    It's not, that's why they're raising premiums ~ 40%. There may have been a moment in time when the insurers could get $80,000-$100,000 in premiums, but only have to pay out a fraction in actual care costs. Part of that was in mandating SS/Medicare/Medicaid as primary payors, and private insurance secondary. Coupled with lower standards of care for the government programs, the insurers could feasibly sell long-term care to just the right population that also didn't live too long.

    The only elderly that get truly high quality, comprehensive institutional care are the very wealthy. They don't use long-term insurance as much as premier facilities that have a large buy-in cash payment (often exceeding $200,000), plus high monthly costs (equal to or exceeding $30,000/year). The small print matters, though, and many places used to lure initial buyers on the promise that their monthly payment would never exceed X amount. Whether they lived in the independent section, the semi-skilled section, or the highly skilled section.

    Think of it like a country club that charges full membership initiation fees for everyone, knowing some won't play golf or tennis or swim, but might show up in the dining room once a month. Or vice versa.

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    Indeed, Medicare certainly doesn't cover it. My mom recently became eligible for Medicare and I've been surprised at what isn't covered. It's really junk.

    But long term care insurance really seems like a dodgy business idea. The only way it can work is if you insure the most unhealthy and sick people you can find just to suck up premiums.

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    Well, that's the point.

    As an experiment, anyone with a little extra time and a computer can find out how ill equipped the US system is......pretend you have a relative that needs

    A) temporary home care
    B) temporary institutional care
    C) long term home care
    D) long term institutional care

    Guaranteed, it will turn into a time consuming and complicated process. While your relative needs care and can't wait while you search, and social services isn't helping either.

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    Oh, you mean conservative (read insidious) death panel.
    Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    Oh, you mean conservative (read insidious) death panel.
    The conservative approach to this issue was supremely confusing and hypocritical. I still don't understand their philosophy.

    Money = longer life. No money = die fast. Government money = live a little longer. No gummint money = die faster. Therefore, gummint money = death panels.


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    It's not the money as much as the idea of a case-by-case decision process for disbursing said money. Though candidly, we all know this issue sort of exists beyond the nationalized vs. private healthcare debate. It's the much larger "what do we do with them older folks" issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    It's not the money as much as the idea of a case-by-case decision process for disbursing said money. Though candidly, we all know this issue sort of exists beyond the nationalized vs. private healthcare debate. It's the much larger "what do we do with them older folks" issue.
    The translation is "what the hell do we do with ALL THESE OLD FOLKS?" Are they sucking off 300 million teats? Do we let them die, or try to keep them alive as long as possible? What does dignity mean? What, exactly, is the goal?

    It's about the money. Because, admit it, nationalized or privatized.....it boils down to pocketbook costs. If everyone was altruistic and thought of themselves as the 70 year old with some "good time left", maybe even 3 more decades of "productive contribution to society" but not a way to BUY it, no one would be bickering about healthcare policy, or collective taxes to pay for a national health plan.


    In fact, if everyone just died at age 70, our whole medical R & D model would fall apart. No more research on how to live longer, fight cancers or brain dementias. Kiss pharmaceuticals and biometrics goodbye. Our whole medical model would fall apart. No more low skilled aide jobs, fewer middle skilled nursing or physician assistant jobs, even fewer highly skilled physician specialties. Smaller hospitals, no real need for nursing homes or their personnel. A few emergency injury clinics, spinal cord specialists....the rest may as well be done with health educators in schools or day care centers.
    Last edited by GGT; 11-15-2010 at 02:26 AM.

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    Anecdote Alert!

    I've seen this happen to many of my peers. Some are going through this right now.

    Depending on culture, it's either the oldest male or the youngest female who's expected to make sacrifices for their elderly parent(s). Sometimes it's geography, who's closest. They spend lots of time finding "placement" in an institution, or trying to move them closer. But only after attempting, against great odds, to keep mom or dad in their home, familiar turf.

    Selling a house long distance, packing things up or selling/giving things away. Lucid elderly don't want to move away from their remaining cronies, or land in some strange town for the convenience of their adult kids. It's a pride thing.

    I've seen this literally rip families apart. The stress of care-giving is enormously underestimated. It can ruin marriages, and create resentment from next generations. (She was never available because she was too busy taking care of grandma.) When death comes, there's often fighting about wills and money and unwritten promises between siblings. It can become a family's worst legacy.

    There's got to be a better way.

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    I might be wrong but I believe the two income norm did more to destroy families than anything else.
    Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
    If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    I might be wrong but I believe the two income norm did more to destroy families than anything else.
    That's one theory we've heard a lot about.

    I think the American ideal of independence, disconnecting from family to become mobile and move far away, and stay far away, was seen as a sign of success. Those who moved back to their old hometown were often viewed as timid, not strong enough to make it anywhere in the world, let alone disconnect from the umbilical cord.

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