Once or twice?
Hello,
I would like schools to have two admission periods every year in order to ensure children in a given class are closer to each other in age when they begin school than they tend to be today.
Are there schools in your country that do this? Do you know how it's worked?
I wish Florida/America did this.
Ocean misses the deadline by less than a week. She is also in the top 95% for her height.
So not only will she be the oldest, she'll be the biggest kid in her class.
Retarded.
Is there nothing you can do about this?Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
I don't know what the system's like in the US, but it's not that rare here to join the year above you (if the child seems capable).
A very interesting idea.
Not true. Gladwell cites some studies in Outliers, and makes very good points.
Same here, I think.
And allowing admission twice a year also increases the amount of teachers you need, which is already strained.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
so make more teachers! DUH
How old are you?
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
Gifted testing doesn't really exist anymore, and with that all avenues to push for skipping ahead.
Funny, it does here. Guess Georgia schools are better than something, after all.
We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.
Pretty sure I've mentioned that before
Its got a lot to do with how the lottery supplements your system, while in Florida the lottery is used as a replacement, freeing up funds to be spent elsewhere. Georgia has one of the better funded educational systems in the country.
Florida still has "advanced" groupings, but thats at the teacher's call. No more 3rd party testing like I had to do.
it's great for her but probably awful for the tiny shrimps she will inevitably marginalise
Her size alone will no doubt bring the rumors of "she must have failed!", throw in her age and its a done deal. That will no doubt not help her socialize.
And she is an incredibly smart little girl. The daycare we had her in put her in the VPK program at no charge cause she was more content with them than the younger kids.
Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 01-29-2010 at 07:48 PM.
I was larger and more grown up than most kids in elementary and middle school. I was asked once in a while by friends on mine if I had ever repeated a grade and the answer "no" was always sufficient. Rumors about me never came around so I think she's ok
I think it's not a particularly good idea, really. Maturity and learning ability are not based on age.
We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.
i think it's a great idea because i hate the relative age effect.
I was the opposite; I made it into school before I turned 5 because I barely met the limit. So, I've been one of the younger people in my grade all the way through. I didn't look it though due to my height!I can't imagine how weird it would have been to have to wait another year to enroll in grade school.
i was thinking more about how they interact with classmates and teachers than about how they'll do on tests of learning, or how "mature" they are.
this is one if the more thought-provoking things gladwell brought up in his book! i think loki should read it!
and ogre too
if he reads
I forgot a rather important word in there. Its funded nicely, but how thats used and distributed, especially among urban schools has a lot to do with Georgia's social atmosphere.
Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 01-30-2010 at 07:51 PM.
what's so great about having a "gifted" system??
So people get taught to their skill level, instead of forcing teachers to teach to the lowest common denominator?
Hope is the denial of reality
Entertaingly enough, the gifted program in Georgia schools also qualifies as "special ed."
We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.
pff why's that such a great thing? such a damn' rush just to get to uni a couple of years ahead of your mates from kindergarten, sheesh
It doesn't actually generally involve skipping grades - just providing gifted kids with work that actually holds their interest. To, you know, keep them from being completely bored all day in school.
We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.
Math isn't your guys' specialty, is it?If you have 2 admissions cycles per year, then each cycle would have half the students, meaning that it would require half the teachers. Overall, the amount of teachers needed would remain the same.
Yeah, we should strive to breed mediocrity, and bore talented students to death by giving them unchallenging work. That's a great recipe for creating great minds and getting the smartest kids to take school seriously.
Hope is the denial of reality
Depends on your schools, really. My high school, and elementary school, I usually had only one class of my 'level' in my year (sortof like an advanced program). So there you would need to double the amount of teachers. Bigger schools would have less trouble with this.Math isn't your guys' specialty, is it?
On the other hand, it would spread out the use of resources, which is an advantage. And if you for some reason (illness, for example) miss a significant part of a year, you could be set back half a year instead of an entire year.
College would also have to have two admission dates then. Do they offer that already? Ours does for master's programs, but generally not for bachelor's.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
Colleges here have a semester system, which pretty much already works like that.
Hope is the denial of reality
Good to see that your dedication to socialism isn't limited to economic equality but intellectual equality as well. God forbid some people are more interested in school than others or smarter than others and don't want to spend a year learning material they already know.
Hope is the denial of reality
the funny thing is i've always been ahead of my age group at school, right up until uni
man if i want to spend money on schools i want it spent first and foremost on ensuring their health and wellbeing. perhaps that's my dedication to socialism, perhaps it's just my notions of what's most valuable and rewarding during childhood.
wow here's a thought if everyone in school knew more and were happier and were thoroughly stimulated then you wouldn't have kids going around being bored and unhappy at school!!
but let's face it this isn't about keeping kids from being unhappy, this is about giving kids some people perceive as being more worthy some extra boosts over their peers. parents are selfish, greedy, uncaring creatures.
I was tested because I was getting bored in class and stopped doing mindless work. The teacher would allow us to grade our own work and I would just pretend to be checking or Xing a blank piece of paper. When she asked for grades I would ring off a low A or high B. Started around 3rd grade. My parents didn't have any involvement in the process.the funny thing is i've always been ahead of my age group at school, right up until uni
man if i want to spend money on schools i want it spent first and foremost on ensuring their health and wellbeing. perhaps that's my dedication to socialism, perhaps it's just my notions of what's most valuable and rewarding during childhood.
wow here's a thought if everyone in school knew more and were happier and were thoroughly stimulated then you wouldn't have kids going around being bored and unhappy at school!!
but let's face it this isn't about keeping kids from being unhappy, this is about giving kids some people perceive as being more worthy some extra boosts over their peers. parents are selfish, greedy, uncaring creatures.
okay but check this out though... ominous was tested and was obviously a bright lad but look where he is now!
proof positive that testing for such things is just to have an excuse to reward a few kids that some delusional people care more about
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