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    Default My high school made state news... for all the wrong reasons.

    TL; DR: Principal suspends almost three dozen kids for watching and/or videotaping and/or not stopping a somewhat violent fight between two girls, away from school grounds. (or, I guess, just randomly suspending people who looked like the ones in the video)

    The principal, Strangie, was the more level-headed of the two vice-principals when I was in high school there. What he did, though, is just an extension of what's been going on in that school for years in regards to suspensions (I myself was a victim of the other vice-principal's retarded asshole-ness), and it crossed a certain numerical red line to falsely suspend so many basically illegally. I don't think he had any right to do what he did, and I see potentially some sort of outcry here. Sorry Strangie, you're the bully now.

    Apparently, the mayor piled on by handing the suspended students a homework assignment. Somehow she's also their teacher now? WTF? (Not saying she did this; dunno the details, but it seems possible she was involved somehow)

    By the way, the school handbook provides for a suspension hearing for each student, but in practice this almost never happens (didn't to me), in violation of the rules. I guess you don't have to follow the rules if you're the one who gets to enforce them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by By Akilah Johnson and John R. Ellement, Globe Staff

    LYNN -- Twenty-nine Lynn English High School students have been suspended and more could face disciplinary action as the city continues to investigate a fight between two girls that was refereed and videotaped by students, who did nothing to stop it -- even when one girl’s head was slammed into a stone wall.

    Lynn Mayor Judith Flanagan Kennedy, who is also the chair of the city’s school committee, said all 29 students are also required to do a research paper on the 1964 murder of Catherine “Kitty” Genovese, whose shouts for help went unanswered as she was murdered in New York City.

    Kennedy said the two combatants were suspended for five days and students who refereed or videotaped the violent struggle were handed three-day suspensions. Onlookers were given one-day suspensions, she said.

    “I thought the punishments were all very fair,’’ Kennedy told reporters this afternoon. “I’m hoping everybody can get past this, and I hope we can get on with the business of teaching children.’’

    Asked what she found most disturbing about the fight, Kennedy said she was stunned “that kids could watch this and be so immune to it.’’

    She added, “No one was being affected, even when the girl’s head was being struck into a stone wall.’’

    She said she hoped the research paper on the Genovese killing, a notorious example of urban indifference to neighbors, will leave a lasting impression on the children.

    “I hope that it is not only something that they will write about, but will remember,’’ she said.

    But as the high school ended its day today, several students said the lesson they have learned is to avoid going to fights and, by doing so, to avoid getting into trouble at school or at home.

    “It was dumb. It was dumb,’’ said Selena DePena, a 10th-grader suspended for one day. “I wish I wasn’t even there. ... I’m in trouble. My mom said whoever was there should definitely get in trouble.’’

    None of the students interviewed said they would try to prevent any future fight from taking place, or step in to break up one. Some students who were at the fight said they feared any intervention would be seen as an aggressive act by friends of the combatants, and the fight would then grow into a brawl.

    The students also said the now-infamous video of the fight, which was posted to YouTube, was edited to make the violence more horrific. They also said some adults were on hand, but they also did not step in to halt the fight.

    They said the fight was mostly hair-pulling between the two girls, and that neither of them suffered injuries that caused bleeding.

    In addition to the school discipline, the two girls could face criminal charges in Lynn Juvenile Court, according to Essex District Attorney Jonathan Blodgett’s office.

    John R. Ellement can be reached at ellement@globe.com.
    Last edited by agamemnus; 02-28-2012 at 04:23 AM.

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    I somehow doubt any of these punishments would stand up in a court if the parents appealed these suspensions. If this event didn't happen during school hours and didn't happen on school property, the school has no jurisdiction. It has as much right to suspend these students as it does to suspend students who curse at their parents at home (maybe that's the next frontier!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I somehow doubt any of these punishments would stand up in a court if the parents appealed these suspensions. If this event didn't happen during school hours and didn't happen on school property, the school has no jurisdiction. It has as much right to suspend these students as it does to suspend students who curse at their parents at home (maybe that's the next frontier!).
    It hasn't been addressed but the US Supreme Court yet but several courts have ruled that schools are allowed to act on off campus and out of school events, especially if it could result in a disruption when the students return to campus. This has come up several times for online threats, slander, defamation and such.

    I don't agree with that, but the courts have shown to side with the schools.
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    One day suspension? Big deal.

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    It goes on your record, which can be a big deal. Are minor infringements of civil liberties ok now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    It goes on your record, which can be a big deal. Are minor infringements of civil liberties ok now?
    Pssh. They are students.

    Seriously not everything is worth going to court over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Pssh. They are students.

    Seriously not everything is worth going to court over.
    I thought students were old enough to be responsible for suicide or any crime they commit, and yet you're not going to give them the same rights as adults?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I thought students were old enough to be responsible for suicide or any crime they commit, and yet you're not going to give them the same rights as adults?
    I'm not saying they don't have a case. I'm saying people should sue at the drop of a hat. A one day suspension IS a drop of the hat.

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    Actually, mini-suspensions don't go on record as far as I know. (is that why I was denied MIT..?)

    Anyway, it's not just that it's a small punishment, it's that this overreach happens over and over there --at least this was the case a decade ago, when I was there.

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    By its title, I thought this might be about kids bringing weapons to school---after an Ohio student was killed yesterday, and others seriously injured. Then I thought it might be about charter schools in Chicago, where inner-city kids living in poverty are being forced to pay fines....for 'infractions' like not sitting up straight, not having buttons buttoned or shoelaces tied, or caught chewing gum. Some $300,000 in fines over the last couple of years.

    No offense aggie, but that kind of crap goes on in school districts in every state. Your old HS isn't special that way.

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    It made news, though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    It goes on your record, which can be a big deal. Are minor infringements of civil liberties ok now?
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I somehow doubt any of these punishments would stand up in a court if the parents appealed these suspensions. If this event didn't happen during school hours and didn't happen on school property, the school has no jurisdiction. It has as much right to suspend these students as it does to suspend students who curse at their parents at home (maybe that's the next frontier!).
    Courts? Records? I thought we were talking about schools here.
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    Courts? Records? I thought we were talking about schools here.
    Exactly.

    Why do 'Murikans have to go to court over every little thing.

    This is a school issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbuk2 View Post
    Exactly.

    Why do 'Murikans have to go to court over every little thing.

    This is a school issue.
    And if the students in question can't get into a college of their choice because of this illegitimate disciplinary issue, you'll still think that they had no business appealing the school's decision to some saner authority?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    And if the students in question can't get into a college of their choice because of this illegitimate disciplinary issue, you'll still think that they had no business appealing the school's decision to some saner authority?
    Not that I disagree with you, but I have trouble envisioning the participants and referees of a girl-on-girl fight as the scholarly type that might be concerned with such matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    And if the students in question can't get into a college of their choice because of this illegitimate disciplinary issue, you'll still think that they had no business appealing the school's decision to some saner authority?
    Saner authority yes - the borough or state authority are the logical step up to appeal to - whomever administers school regulation.

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    It's on your educational record when you apply to a high school or college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    It's on your educational record when you apply to a high school or college.
    Well, I don't think you are correct. Smaller suspensions are treated differently by at least my school in terms of your records as far as I have been able to ascertain, but it shouldn't matter anyway. I think the limit is 3 days until it gets on your record.

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    Guess I'm still the only one who saw suspensions as a reward, then?

    "Yeah, force me to not be in this hellhole for a whole week, that'll show me... actually, can we make it two weeks to be sure I learn my lesson?"

    FWIW, I was not successful in getting my "punishment" extended.
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    I said "scholarly" for a reason, precisely that there is a difference between smart folks and scholarly ones.
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