http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20146942
Always expected an Episode VII to be released eventually but never thought it'd involve Mickey Mouse. Not sure what I think about the notion of at least 3 more films and then one every couple of years.
Disney purchases Lucasarts and announces episodes VII-IX onwards
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20146942
Always expected an Episode VII to be released eventually but never thought it'd involve Mickey Mouse. Not sure what I think about the notion of at least 3 more films and then one every couple of years.
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
As I said in the WTF thread, it didn't surprise me. The 2 companies had been working extremely close these past few years. You could purchase Star Wars merch in disney, and the picture you included seems to be from in front of their Star Tours ride.
The fact that they announced episode 7 in the same meeting, and lucas will still be involved, gives me pause as to the quality of the next installment, but I can hope against hope. Maybe one day they will shift the focus of the movies to any other part of the star wars universe other than what they have done into the ground with 1-6.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Holy fuck, that was out of nowhere. Too bad theforce.net seems to be non-responsive, I want to browse their forums and enjoy the howls of consternation and outrage from hardcore star wars fans.
Last edited by Steely Glint; 10-30-2012 at 11:44 PM.
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
Some random thoughts I've seen pop up on reddit, facebook and various comments
Disney Princess Leia, is she part of the gang now?
What about Monkey Island?
Star Wars Kingdom Hearts (+ Marvel)
Star Wars Land at Disney parks
Maybe we will finally get the original theatrical releases on Bluray?
Disney can be attributed for saving Marvel's movie attempts (but also caused Cars 2).
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
It explains why recently every other week a new Marvel movie seems to be released. Been more in the last 3 years than the last 30 I swear.
They put out more Marvel movies 03-05, and it shows. Elektra, Punisher, Man-Thing. Marvel was heading down a bad road before Disney stepped in 09.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Yes there were movies 03-05 but then it slowed to almost a complete stop. Recently each of the Avenger's seems to have had an "origin" movie and then the Avengers film, Spiderman has been rebooted and so many are in the pipeline including again virtually each of the Avengers (and the whole), Spiderman and new X-Men etc ... its well and truly stepped up a gear.
Thats the point, Marvel was failing on the big screen, they were ready to abandon the movie attempt. When Disney stepped in in late 09 Marvel only had 1 movie for that year, Wolverine, and 1 for '10, Iron Man 2.
Under Disney the Marvel movies aren't coming out any faster than they did under Marvel's earlier attempts. 3 a year for '11-'13, same rate as 03-08 (except 06)Recently each of the Avenger's seems to have had an "origin" movie and then the Avengers film, Spiderman has been rebooted and so many are in the pipeline including again virtually each of the Avengers (and the whole), Spiderman and new X-Men etc ... its well and truly stepped up a gear.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Spider-man movie rights are owned by Sony, and their decision to reboot it was largely motivated by keeping the rights to it. X-Men is owned by Fox. Marvel signed away a lot of rights around their various properties early on, a move they came to regret as quality slipped. The Avengers plan actually predates the Disney buy-out though. In short, I don't think the Disney purchase really did much to the movies - Iron Man was successful enough without them. It has had an effect on their television plans though, and it is motivating them to try to get back rights to Spider-Man and the X-Men from Sony & Fox.
By a wide margin, I remember that being the dream with the original Hulk, and them sticking to it so bad that they ended up rebooting The Hulk (during a writers strike!) alongside Iron Man. But I don't think we would have seen an Avengers if more than one of Iron Man 2, Thor or Captain America had failed. Those all came about with enough time for Disney to put in their creative input, but no I don't know how much they may have dicked around with the original storyboards.
Sorta like how Battleship has put Wizard's other movie dreams in jeopardy.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
But Facebook is valued ten times more?
But Facebook is valued ten times more?
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
I sense a disturbance in the Force...as if millions of Neckbeards cried out iin anguish.
I was about to post a diatribe on how much Disney had fucked up Pixar when they took it over, cancelling innovative new projects they were working on and forcing through cash-guaranteed sequels (Cars 2, Toy Story 3) instead.
But then Lucasfilm already fucked itself with Episodes I, II & III, so ...
I spose Episode VII could feature Luke and Leia bursting into kiddy-friendly song with lots of animals and birdies joining in, which would only improve matters ?
It doesn't take too big of a leap of imagination to see Ewoks in the Disney Store.
I'm just hoping for Grand Admiral Thrawn and Co.
Brevior saltare cum deformibus viris est vita
Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 10-31-2012 at 03:51 PM.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
You could already buy plush star wars toys in the Orlando Disney. Downtown Disney had its own area in the toys department setup with star wars toys.
Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 10-31-2012 at 07:30 PM.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
The prequals were so bad I can't imagine how Disney involvement could make 7-9 fundamentally worse. Pixar does OK under Disney and the Marvel movies are pretty good, so why despair? The only really bad news here is that Lucas will still be involved....
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No, it does not.
Disney cancelled a number of innovative projects Pixar were working on when they were taken over. Disney has instead insisted on prequels and sequels which are less risky in the box-office.
So we have Cars 2
Toy Story 3, with 4 (a prequel) mooted
Finding Nemo 2, in production
Monsters University, a prequel, in production
The only non-sequel/prequel Pixar/Disney have created from the drawing board since the takeover is Brave, which was bland and mediocre, and had none of the life and brilliance of Pixar-only creations.
Disney has stifled the renowned creativity of Pixar in favour of furthering the money-spinning capabilities of the existing franchises.
1. Cars 1 should never have been made, that wasn't Disney. (was it?)
2. Toy Story 3 was an excellant film, especially for a 2nd sequel.
3. Brave was an excellant film. Not sure where you come up with bland and mediocre.
Heard about Monsters prequel. The original wasn't all that great a film - liked it but it wasn't The Incredibles. Might be good though... hard to say at this point.
Nemo 2 is news for me. Hadn't heard....
Edit: That opening sequence in Up was fantastic, I agree Rand. Extremely well done....
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
I'm not sure what you think Disney could possibly do to the Star Wars franchise that it hasn't done to itself.
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
Star Wars episodes IV, V, and VI were always a trilogy, so V and VI weren't sequels. The entire story had been written before any of the movies were made.
That would be like implying The Two Towers and The Return of the King were sequels to The Fellowship of the Ring, when of course as we know Tolkien wrote it as a single story, divided into three episodes.
BTTF, the first was by far the best. II and III which were indeed proper sequels created after the fact, I thought were a bit meh. More flogging horses.
Godfather II is indeed the movie that people cite as the reason why we should have sequels, being so good as it was.
I'd add Alien and Aliens to that. Alien, the 1st in that franchise, was an excellent movie, but Aliens was better, and is on my list of top 10 of all time.
So my point, if I have one, isn't necessarily against the whole idea of sequels/prequels, it's of sequels/prequels at the expense of fresh, new movies, with new characters. And of sequels/prequels which are clearly just 'cashing-in', and are shit as a result.
New movies are a higher risk, less guarantee at the box office. So it's not a surprise that a corporate giant like Disney prefers the box-office guarantees that sequels/prequels bring, it's just disappointing. Another example of commercialism trumping creativity and new ideas.
Cars was indeed entirely Pixar, and is the only disappointment (bar sequels/prequels) to have emerged from the minds of the Pixar team's normal story-telling brilliance. Commercially successful, but critically panned. It wasn't an enjoyable movie.
Yep agreed, The Incredibles was fantastic, and Monsters Inc wasn't quite up there. Kids seemed to really enjoy Monsters though.Heard about Monsters prequel. The original wasn't all that great a film - liked it but it wasn't The Incredibles.
The moment from The Incredibles when Elastigirl is closing in on the evil genius's island in the private jet, with the missile closing in on her, and her mayday mayday call "there are children on this aircraft" was genuinely frightening. Edge of the seat.
Agreed.
Already gave my thoughts on that above ... :
Last edited by Timbuk2; 11-02-2012 at 02:25 PM.
There's evidence against this, btw. For example, I've read the original Star Wars film was re-named Episode 4: A New Hope after the first release -- and it was added to the opening story crawl. It's hard to verify though b/c Lucas has either destroyed or refuses to release the original theatrical Star Wars film, before his many generations of revisions.
I read he originally wanted to publish a single book but the original publisher insisted he cut it into three.That would be like implying The Two Towers and The Return of the King were sequels to The Fellowship of the Ring, when of course as we know Tolkien wrote it as a single story, divided into three episodes.
These two films are different sub-genres. Alien was a solid SF Horror film while Aliens was a SF Action/ Thriller, each a superb example of each. If you liked Aliens better, as I did, you probably prefer the genre more than anything else.I'd add Alien and Aliens to that.
I hated Cars. And Bug's Life wasn't that great either, though I didn't dislike it. ("I'll have the Poo Poo platter."Cars was indeed entirely Pixar, and is the only disappointment (bar sequels/prequels) to have emerged from the minds of the Pixar team's normal story-telling brilliance. Commercially successful, but critically panned. It wasn't an enjoyable movie.)
I've always felt the same. I don't know if it's the scene itself, the excellance of voice acting or what, but that scene was fantastic.The moment from The Incredibles when Elastigirl is closing in on the evil genius's island in the private jet, with the missile closing in on her, and her mayday mayday call "there are children on this aircraft" was genuinely frightening. Edge of the seat.
All in all I think this Star Wars/ Disney deal is an opportunity to keep Lucas from putting out another piece of shit. He got way too convinced of his own brilliance after Star Wars became the first-ever mega-hit. Starting with Empire Strikes Back (tbh, the idea that Vader was twin Luke and Leia's father was very fucking stupid and really limited and dumbed down the rest of the films), every film after, and all the revisions he's made over the decades, he needed someone with authority who could tell him "no, that's idiotic."
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
Odd that they announced this in the middle of a giant natural disaster. You would think they would wait a bit, but it's almost like they want to bury the news.
I'm wondering if this is because Disney feels they might be criticized for overpaying. Then again, $4 billion is probably a lower number than most would have expected. Because LucasArts has always been 100% private, the actual revenue numbers have always been secret.
I can only conclude from this that the Star Wars franchise + LucasArts productions (which works with Pixar) is surprisingly unprofitable.
Then again, only a company like Disney could really squeeze cash out of something like LucasArts with rides, toys and the other cross-marketing stuffs they excel at.
You don't renege on the press, especially when your announcement needs to come before others (such as donating most the $4 billion to charity). Google also announced their new Nexus products during the same time. I hope you aren't trying to say they wanted that buried
I can only conclude from this that the Star Wars franchise + LucasArts productions (which works with Pixar) is surprisingly unprofitable.
I wonder how you balance this with the idea that Lucas is donating most of this $4 billion to education. Meaning Star Wars has possibly done more good for humanity than almost any work of art in history.
Its been known for a few years now that Lucas wanted out, he has mentioned in a few interviews of retiring but wanting the story to continue. Who better to continue and protect the IP than Disney?
side note: Marvel's reported revenue in 2007 was $125.7 million, and was also purchased by Disney for $4 billion.
Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 11-01-2012 at 09:24 PM.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
There are requirements for market-sensitive disclosures, you can't just put the genie back in the bottle without causing knock on effects.
Agreed, I don't think it's deliberate. But then again the financial markets were closed, and "closing date" of these things is usually somewhat flexible so arguably it could have waited just a bit.
Disney's a multinational corporation. Just because NYSE is closed doesn't mean that the financial markets are closed.
What about Up? Was that already written because I thought that was one of the greatest Pixar movies, the start where you see the old man and his widow's life in a few minutes is one of the best sad/romantic bits of any Disney/Pixar movie.
EDIT: I believe another original story had been in the pipeline but got cancelled due to a rival releasing Rio with a similar storyline. Had Disney stuck with that there'd be complaints about it not being original anymore.
EDIT2: They've got more original stories on the way too - and Disney not Pixar owned the rights to Toy Story anyway and was threatening to release a Toy Story 3 prior to their acquisition of Pixar. I wasn't convinced of the idea of a Toy Story 3 but I thought it was a great movie - and again a real tear-jerker at times. Not embarrassed to admit I did let a tear or two out during that one.
Last edited by RandBlade; 11-02-2012 at 10:47 AM.
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