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    Default Obesity and politics

    How much can and should the government do to deal with the problem of increasing overweight and obesity problems? Is it a problem to be dealt with at all and even if it is - is it beyond the realm of what's relevant to the state?

    I think there's not much that can be done as its a very personal issue however some ideas to kickstart:

    Education - Teaching kids about healthy eating, calories etc and cooking classes etc ... I believe this is becoming more common, I never had any of that when going through school.
    Keeping Public spaces - Parks, playgrounds etc
    Trying to make sure roads are safe for cyclists and not just motorvehicles
    Encouraging (even if not mandating) calorie information to be displayed on packaged products, menus etc

    None of these mandate healthy eating or lifestyle but more give people the tools to make their own decisions.

    EDIT: By pure coincidence, just read this article after posting this thread. I like too the idea of schools ensuring they provide healthy choices but how do you do it? My school had a "tuck shop" where you bought your own choices from the cafeteria. Most day I (like many Aussies) chose a Meat Pie. There should be healthy options for the kids but not sure if banning pies and chips would be productive. Perhaps some sort of traffic-light scheme would make sense to kids and I think PE (sports) teaches and coaches can help with encouraging good choices and linking to how healthy eating [not a kids favourite] can help with sports etc [more but still not universally popular].
    Quote Originally Posted by From The Economist
    Fat chance
    The state can do some things to encourage people to eat less, but not a lot

    IN 1937 George Orwell suggested that “changes of diet” might be more important than “changes of dynasty or even of religion”. Now he is being proved right in a way he might not have expected. Having spent millennia worrying about not having enough food, mankind’s main concern is now eating too much (see our special report on obesity).

    The story of human health in the past few decades is a broadly encouraging one. Life expectancy has increased—globally, by 12 years for women and 11 years for men from 1970 to 2010. But greater longevity means that people spend more years chronically ill (see article). Obesity makes things worse by raising the risk of diabetes, heart disease, strokes and some cancers. In much of the world, being too fat is now the single largest driver of sickness.


    In 2008 obesity rates were nearly double those of 1980. One in three adults was overweight, with a body-mass index (BMI) of 25 or more (at least 77kg for a man 175cm tall); 12% were obese, with a BMI of at least 30. In America, ever the world leader, about two-thirds of adults were overweight in 2008. But Britain lumbered close behind, with six in ten too fat. The problem is not confined to rich countries. Thanks to economic growth, people around the world are eating more food. Workers burn fewer calories at their desks than in the fields. Even in China, one in four adults was too fat in 2008. In Brazil more than half were. Obesity rates in Mexico, Venezuela and South Africa matched those of America. The Pacific islands and Gulf states are home to some of the world’s fattest people.
    For those (like this newspaper) who believe that the state should generally keep its nose out of people’s private affairs, obesity presents a quandary. “A millionaire may enjoy breakfasting off orange juice and Ryvita biscuits,” Orwell pointed out; “an unemployed man doesn’t…You want to eat something a little bit tasty.” If people get great pleasure from eating more than is good for them, should they not be allowed to indulge themselves? After all, individuals bear the bulk of the costs of obesity, quite literally. They suffer at work, too: their wages are often lower and, in America, some employers also make fat workers pay more for health insurance.

    Yet in most countries the state covers some or most of the costs of health care, so fat people raise costs for everyone. In America, for instance, a recent paper estimated that obesity was responsible for a fifth of the total health-care bill, of which nearly half is paid by the federal government. And there are broader social costs. The Pentagon says that obesity is shrinking its pool of soldiers. Obesity lowers labour productivity. And state intervention is justified where it saves people from great harm at little cost to themselves. Only zealots see seat-belt laws as an affront to personal liberty. Anti-smoking policies, controversial at first, are generally viewed as a success.
    Whose fault is fat?
    Obesity is, at its heart, the result of many personal decisions. But the rise of obesity—across many countries and disproportionately among the poor—suggests that becoming fat cannot just be blamed on individual frailty. Millions of people, of all cultures, did not become lazy gluttons at the same time, en masse. Broader forces are at work. The government can try to influence them by discouraging overeating. But how?

    Drugs and surgery can help in the most extreme cases. They do not, however, offer a solution to the wider problem. Economists, faced with behaviour they don’t like, tend to favour imposing “sin” taxes. But eating fatty and sugary foods is not a “sin”, even in the fiscal sense, for unlike cigarettes, fatty foods are not uniformly unhealthy. Moreover, since poor people spend a higher proportion of their income on food than rich people do, such a tax would be regressive. It would also be an administrative nightmare, as the fat content of each item of food would have to be measured. Denmark, which imposed a fat tax in 2011, abandoned it after a year.
    In the absence of a single big solution to obesity, the state must try many small measures. Governments, some of which already intervene a lot in the first few months of people’s lives, should ensure that parents are warned of the dangers of overfeeding their babies. Schools should serve nutritious lunches, teach children how to eat healthily and give them time to run around. Urban planners should make streets and pavements friendlier to cyclists and pedestrians. Taxing sugary fizzy drinks—which unlike fatty foods have no nutritional value—and limiting the size of the containers in which they can be sold may work. Philadelphia and New York, for example, have implemented a range of such policies, and have seen child-obesity rates dip ever so slightly.
    There is a limit, however, to what the state can or should do. In the end, the responsibility and power to change lie primarily with individuals. Whether people go on eating till they pop, or whether they opt for the healthier, slimmer life, will have a bigger effect on the future of the species than most of the weighty decisions that governments make.
    Last edited by RandBlade; 01-05-2013 at 12:45 AM.
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    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Educate and motivate for kids AND parents re. good eating habits, physical activity, the benefits of not being overweight

    Motivate children to be active by helping them find activities and contexts that they enjoy

    Ensure means for children AND parents (and youths) to lead physically active lives eg. places to be, time and energy to be there and to do things

    Add special chips that disable computers, game consoles, TVs and tablets at carefully chosen times during the day if at home.

    Eliminate shift work.

    Subsidise home deliveries of healthy groceries.

    Eliminate or discourage any "enhancing" additives/ingredients that are likely to contribute to obesity. Replace the hfcs, sugar, salt with cellulose.

    Ban sodas and junk food in schools. Just ban it. Sell bottled water. Give your schools enough money to be able to forego the coke sponsorship.




    If you want good results from "education" you have to involve parents and give families the means to engage in healthier living in a way that doesn't make it feel burdensome. That means money, time and a sense of security.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    You think it's the government's job to disable TVs? Or eliminate shift work?

    Gosh no.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    You think it's the government's job to disable TVs? Or eliminate shift work?
    Well no, I'm mostly about giving families the knowledge and the means to lead healthy active lives even though shift work is the BANE of good health.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Its a cultural thing in my opinion. Every time we have "awareness" campaigns about the danger of anorexia and bulimia and that your body looks just fine we increase the acceptability of fatties.

    But anyway - government is never the answer. At most I'd like to see less care given for self inflicted health issues via medicare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Its a cultural thing in my opinion. Every time we have "awareness" campaigns about the danger of anorexia and bulimia and that your body looks just fine we increase the acceptability of fatties.
    The fuck?
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    I disagree about it being cultural (at least solely). If it was then obesity wouldn't be a global issue. No it's far more basic than that. It's human nature. It's evolution. For all of human nature the absence of food is a bigger problem than the overabundance of it. Fat today lessens the risk of starvation tomorrow.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

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    Research would be a good start. recent studies have started linking stuff like HFCS to diabetes and the inability for the brain to know when you've eaten enough.

    and that shit is in god damn near everything in the US.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Agree with public spaces being more exercise-friendly -- not just parks but also sidewalks, crosswalks, cycling lanes, etc. That's something best done by local governments. Federal gov't can provide for research and data dissemination, though.

    Town planners and zoning officials should collaborate with health professionals (along with civil engineers and architects) to make driving/cycling/walking sections in tiers or zones. Multi-use retail, business, and residential zoning works better for pedestrian traffic than the single-use sprawl (Galleria Mall and drive-through mentality) that's trended in recent decades.

    There's something seriously wrong when our culture is so car-oriented. Banks, dry cleaners, coffee and fast food chains, grocery stores and pharmacies have all designed their services as drive-ups or drive-to's....and made pedestrian traffic a real pain in the ass. "Planning" has mostly been about automobile entry-exit ramps, traffic lights, and parking lots.

    Schools can use purpose-related design to encourage walking, similar to college campuses where cafeterias and libraries are walking destinations. School lunch programs can be expensive to operate internally, but bringing in Pizza Hut or McDonald's doesn't really solve the problem...it actually makes it worse from a public health standpoint. Also, eliminating gym/recess is a really crappy way to run elementary schools.

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