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    Default Worker outsourced his job

    Companies fire people and outsource, with a tremendous social cost of unemployment.
    Why can't workers outsource? How is that if a worker does it, it is cheating, but if a company does it, it is business?

    US programmer outsourced own job to China, spent workdays on Reddit and Facebook
    http://rt.com/usa/news/us-employee-o...ing-china-177/

    What is the ethics behind it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ar81 View Post
    Companies fire people and outsource, with a tremendous social cost of unemployment.
    Why can't workers outsource? How is that if a worker does it, it is cheating, but if a company does it, it is business?

    US programmer outsourced own job to China, spent workdays on Reddit and Facebook
    http://rt.com/usa/news/us-employee-o...ing-china-177/

    What is the ethics behind it?
    I don't see any reason why a worker shouldn't be able to outsource. . . provided he informs people and it's allowed in the terms of the contract. What this guy did is fraud.
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    Also a massive security breach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Also a massive security breach.
    This.

    I was going to post this story oddly enough. On the one hand of all the weird things to do I find the idea both amusing and ingenious - but the practicality is its a crime and could have severe security issues for the companies he defrauded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    This.

    I was going to post this story oddly enough. On the one hand of all the weird things to do I find the idea both amusing and ingenious - but the practicality is its a crime and could have severe security issues for the companies he defrauded.
    So the best is to create a programming company where you are the only employee, make a company to hie you and the outsource the job to China. That would be the same, but legal...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    That is the biggest issue.
    How do you know software you own has nothing made in China? Multinational IT companies outsource their software to India...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ar81 View Post
    So the best is to create a programming company where you are the only employee, make a company to hie you and the outsource the job to China. That would be the same, but legal...
    That depends on the contract. But yes it could be legal.

    How do you know software you own has nothing made in China? Multinational IT companies outsource their software to India...
    What has anything you said to do with what he said?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ar81 View Post
    So the best is to create a programming company where you are the only employee, make a company to hie you and the outsource the job to China. That would be the same, but legal...
    Depends upon the contract. Off the top of my head if they'd hired him there'd probably be a confidentiality clause in the contract and thus outsourcing the work would once again be fraudulant and a breach of contract.
    How do you know software you own has nothing made in China? Multinational IT companies outsource their software to India...
    That's irrelevant. The work being outsourced/completed overseas is not the issue. The company not being in control of it is. They even had taken steps supplying their staff with RSA tokens to prevent outside access but he shipped his over!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Depends upon the contract. Off the top of my head if they'd hired him there'd probably be a confidentiality clause in the contract and thus outsourcing the work would once again be fraudulant and a breach of contract.
    Indeed. The global Banks and Insurance firms I've worked for fr'instance are very, very protective, not only of the data they create and hold, but also the code that is written by their staff, systems architecture information, business concept models, business process/procedure documents, and policy documents.

    On your first day in the job you sign explicit confidentiality clauses and data protection forms. Training is given annually to all staff on what constitutes data protection and breaches thereof.

    Back in the days when I used to write code for the Bank, we had a comment template which we had to copy to the top of every code segment we wrote, which copyrighted that code to them. The same went for the software development which the Bank outsourced to India (and increasingly, Brazil) - their 3rd party contracts were explicit in terms of confidentiality, and all that code was copyrighted in the same way.

    This man would be marched straight out the door for blatant breach of contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Also a massive security breach.
    That is the biggest issue.

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    That begs the question of why the company wouldn't just give the contract to a Chinese firm, instead of working through a Costa Rican middle man.
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    A reasonable question, but these kind of sub-sub-sub contracts are not that uncommon.
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    This is awesome. Especially because he had to show up in an office every day. He was able to review code made by other people for several different jobs and navigate office politics. Besides the breach of contract/security and ethical issues behind it, well done to this man.

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