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    Default British Press; EU will die in its own dirt tomorrow.

    Or maybe it won't.

    As of tomorrow vacuum cleaners using more than 1600w will be phased out in the EU. According to British newspapers that means the best models are being banned. Funny that, given that the power of the engine has got very little to do with actual suction and in a recent test in Holland the best model actually has a 1200w engine. Philips already is selling vacuum cleaners that use less than 800w, while still giving good results.
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    Once again you're bullshitting without links or quotes because your inane prattle makes the press sound worse than what the press is actually saying. Like practically any article on this referencing the British company Dyson who only have models below this threshold.

    But why let reality get in the way.

    How about next time you want to lie about what people are saying you provide a quote in the OP saying what they are, you know ACTUALLY saying.
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    In other words a Troll. At least Lewk provides a quote before going on some ludicrous rant. Hazir can't even live upto Lewk's standards.
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    Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ich-warns.html

    Guardianhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/201...acuum-cleaners

    Sunday Express goes a bit further as expected :
    http://www.express.co.uk/comment/exp...omment+Feed%29

    And of course I couldn't let out this contribution from my fellow trolls at the Huffington Post (UK)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014..._5697841.html?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ich-warns.html

    Guardianhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/201...acuum-cleaners

    Sunday Express goes a bit further as expected :
    http://www.express.co.uk/comment/exp...omment+Feed%29

    And of course I couldn't let out this contribution from my fellow trolls at the Huffington Post (UK)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014..._5697841.html?
    I see comments about how some of the (independently tested) best rated cleaners are being banned. This is a matter of fact, not hysteria. I see no comments whatsoever about "die in its own dirt", you made that up yourself - not looked into the Express link but that is a joke rag that isn't representative of the entire "British press" by any measure. The links you give (which are not representative of all comments in the media) are nowhere near as hysterical as you fictionalised.

    Though it is interesting that you mention a 1200w cleaner as being the best model - its worth noting that will be banned in a few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Though it is interesting that you mention a 1200w cleaner as being the best model - its worth noting that will be banned in a few years.
    Wut? Last time I did math, 1200 W < 1600 W.
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    Not that I think it will die, but which geniuses thought it was a good idea to appoint an EU foreign policy chief who has 6 months of foreign policy experience (and is viewed as being sympathetic to Russia to boot)? And it seems Eastern European concerns over this move were horse traded away by letting a Polish Prime Minister gain another EU executive position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Not that I think it will die, but which geniuses thought it was a good idea to appoint an EU foreign policy chief who has 6 months of foreign policy experience (and is viewed as being sympathetic to Russia to boot)? And it seems Eastern European concerns over this move were horse traded away by letting a Polish Prime Minister gain another EU executive position.
    Since the EU doesn't really have a foreign policy, I think it hardly matters who holds the position of its chief. But to answer your question; that would be PM Enzi. The 'horse trade' wasn't so much over the Presidency of the Council but over the Presidency of the Commission a while ago.
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    We both know that the policy strengths of various EU bodies changes over time. This move fully discredits any notion that the EU should have a credible foreign policy chief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    We both know that the policy strengths of various EU bodies changes over time. This move fully discredits any notion that the EU should have a credible foreign policy chief.
    Given that there is zero chance in the forseeable future that foreign policy will be a QMV field of policy it really doesn't matter all that much. The person in the job should be a decent manager of the diplomatic service and little more than that. Once unanimity is no longer a requirement we'll get different foreign policy chiefs for the simple reason that the position comes with real powers.
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    And what makes you think this person is a decent manager of the diplomatic service? She literally has no experience. She'll be an embarrassment whenever she has to represent the EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    And what makes you think this person is a decent manager of the diplomatic service? She literally has no experience. She'll be an embarrassment whenever she has to represent the EU.
    I see nothing in her CV that would make that a certainty.
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    I see nothing on her CV.
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    She's been keeping herself busy with international relations for about a decade, before she elbowed herself into the position of FM of Italy. It seems to me if you have that under the belt at 40 there's very good reason to assume serious capabilities to do the job.
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    There was a day when a 100w bulb was the best in lighting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    There was a day when a 100w bulb was the best in lighting.
    And after the technology changed and was getting widely adopted they were ruled out. Here we are ruling out many the models that are currently rated the best. They weren't banned before better options were available. Certainly not when it is possibly being self-defeating as if it takes twice as long to do the same job with a worse-performing cleaner that uses 75% of the energy then you end up net using more energy.
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    Wut? Last time I did math, 1200 W < 1600 W.
    The limit as of yesterday is now 1600w, the limit is being lowered very soon to 900w. Hence my in a few years remark, that is a much more significant drop.
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    So what? My Roomba has an even lower power rating and still gets the job done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    So what? My Roomba has an even lower power rating and still gets the job done.
    If a product works for Khend then it will work for everyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    If a product works for Khend then it will work for everyone?
    Corrolary: If Rand prophesizes that a product will not work for him it won't work for anyone.

    I'm also not quite sure where you all are living. Coal mines? Grain mills? Dubai?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Corrolary: If Rand prophesizes that a product will not work for him it won't work for anyone.

    I'm also not quite sure where you all are living. Coal mines? Grain mills? Dubai?
    Isn't the easiest solution to let the consumer decide what will work best for them and what won't? That way we don't need to have Rand or you making decisions for the rest of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Corrolary: If Rand prophesizes that a product will not work for him it won't work for anyone.

    I'm also not quite sure where you all are living. Coal mines? Grain mills? Dubai?
    Except I didn't say a product wouldn't work for me. Once again, bullshitting.

    Independent rating agencies (and Hazir) are saying that the best will be banned. Not me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    That was a retort to Rand's "This won't ever work!" attitude. But feel free to rant on!

    I notice this trend of you guys that I present a single counter-example to some broad and sweeping claims and you promptly jump on me and try to make my answer look like I meant it to be the answer to all the things. Oh, well, if you must.

    But it does make you look rather silly.
    Since your fictionalising quotes attributed to me, please quote the post where I said - as you put in quotation marks - "This won't ever work!"

    I never said that but keep making up ludicrous straw men to make yourself feel better. Why bother dealing with reality when you can make up your own things to rebut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Since your fictionalising quotes attributed to me, please quote the post where I said - as you put in quotation marks - "This won't ever work!"
    I said that this is a summary of your attitude, Rand. Learn to read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    So what? My Roomba has an even lower power rating and still gets the job done.

    That's nice. Some of us prefer plush carpeting to hardwood floors.
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    Works on carpets as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Works on carpets as well.
    No, it works on shitty, shallow-pile carpets. Carpets that might as well be wood floors anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    No, it works on shitty, shallow-pile carpets. Carpets that might as well be wood floors anyway.
    Strange, I must've imagined the steep price tag for my carpet then.
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    Oh, is that this "Free Market Fixeth All" belief?

    We'd probably still be driving with leaded gas and no catalysators if we followed this particular piece of wisdom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Oh, is that this "Free Market Fixeth All" belief?

    We'd probably still be driving with leaded gas and no catalysators if we followed this particular piece of wisdom.
    I'd much prefer a free market fix to, "I like my Roomba and it works for me, so let's force everyone to use my solution," but I'm old fashioned like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    I'd much prefer a free market fix to, "I like my Roomba and it works for me, so let's force everyone to use my solution," but I'm old fashioned like that.
    Like market solutions work so perfect if people simply don't know. I personally will admit to thinking untill quite recently that high wattage meant better suction. I learned different because in Turkey all machines have to indicate efficiency on the energy label. I realised I'd always been buying vacuum cleaners on the basis of misinformation.
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