This is what open borders get's you.

[Lewkowski]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/27/us/kat...uit/index.html

"The suit alleges that the shooting was set in motion in March 2015, when the county and former sheriff issued a memo approving a policy that eliminated communication about undocumented immigrants with immigration authorities. The policy was in "direct contravention" of federal and state laws, according to the lawsuit.
Weeks after the memo's release, the sheriff's department transported Lopez-Sanchez from a federal prison to San Francisco to appear in court on a bench warrant for marijuana possession and sales. The drug case was dismissed.
Immigration officials had a detainer request for Lopez-Sanchez but the sheriff's department released him, according to the lawsuit.
"By prohibiting the notification to ICE necessary for custody, detention, deportation and/or removal of undocumented convicted felons, the March Memo deprived KATE of life and liberty without due process, as required under the United States Constitution," the lawsuit said.
"The March Memo amounts to deliberate indifference to federal, state, and/or local law which safeguarded KATE's constitutional rights and is the moving force behind the constitutional violation of her rights."
Lopez-Sanchez was arrested and charged with the murder on July 6, 2015.
The uproar caused extensive finger pointing, with Mirkarimi blaming federal officials for not keeping the suspect in custody."


The porous border causes death likes this. The revolting piece of shit was deported five times and still had no issue making it back over the sixth time. Liberals with their wonderful plans for 'sancutary cities' and absolute refusal to get serious about border security led tot his young woman's death.

[Aimless]

I hadn't heard about sanctuary cities before, I wonder what the rationale behind those policies may be.

[LittleFuzzy]

I hadn't heard about sanctuary cities before, I wonder what the rationale behind those policies may be.

They don't like federal policy so by local ordinance they enact legislation requiring non-cooperation to whatever extent they are able. The various federal law-enforcement agencies are generally rather specialized and have limited scope in the use of their powers, they rely on interagency cooperation both with other federal agencies and with state and local law-enforcement. They also have much more limited manpower as one would expect from that degree of specialization. Which means if local law enforcement doesn't bring them in, their capabilities become far more constrained. It's basically the same problem as seen with militias and militia-cooperating local authorities on the border only in reverse.

[Hazir]

Which open borders I wonder.

[Lewkowski]

I hadn't heard about sanctuary cities before, I wonder what the rationale behind those policies may be.

It depends on the individual city but a lot of liberals think illegal aliens have every right to be US citizens because we 'stole' the land from Mexico. For others it isn't about the principal it is just about pandering to actual citizens who view illegal immigrants with sympathy.

[Loki]

A lot = a few extreme organizations?

[Lewkowski]

A lot = a few extreme organizations?

I stand by my statement. Those who support illegal immigration are almost always down on America and feet like we stole land from the Indians or Mexico. In any long discussions it almost always comes up.

[Loki]

I stand by my statement. Those who support illegal immigration are almost always down on America and feet like we stole land from the Indians or Mexico. In any long discussions it almost always comes up.

And I don't suppose you have some facts to back that up?

[Lewkowski]

And I don't suppose you have some facts to back that up?

Just out of curiosity do you actual talk to liberals in favor of sanctuary cities? Because they are pretty much the left of the left.

[Khendraja'aro]

like we stole land from the Indians or Mexico.

I'm pretty certain you didn't steal land from the Indians, considering they're on a different continent on the other side of the Earth.

[Lewkowski]

I'm pretty certain you didn't steal land from the Indians, considering they're on a different continent on the other side of the Earth.

Do me a favor and do a google search for Indians and click on images. That ought to clear it up for ya.

[Timbuk2]

I'm pretty certain you didn't steal land from the Indians, considering they're on a different continent on the other side of the Earth.

Do me a favor and do a google search for Indians and click on images. That ought to clear it up for ya.

Missed it completely. Have a whoosh parrot.

[Flixy]

I've never heard that argument before.

[Steely Glint]

So, uh, what would you call it if not stealing? Unilateral ownership redesignation?

[Aimless]

Oh okay I thought the idea was that these policies are implemented in the hopes of making illegals more willing to come forward and cooperate with authorities on other matters but now I understand it's because people haven't gotten over you guys stealing land

[LittleFuzzy]

Oh okay I thought the idea was that these policies are implemented in the hopes of making illegals more willing to come forward and cooperate with authorities on other matters but now I understand it's because people haven't gotten over you guys stealing land

Lewk of course settles on a warped view, of course. Views on legal and illegal immigration are all over the place and very divisive (and I know the same is true in a number of your countries across the pond). So in areas where local sentiment is more uniform and at variance with the somewhat dysfunctional federal policies, from either side, they start trying to use local law to supplement/mitigate those federal policies.

[Hazir]

Lewk of course settles on a warped view, of course. Views on legal and illegal immigration are all over the place and very divisive (and I know the same is true in a number of your countries across the pond). So in areas where local sentiment is more uniform and at variance with the somewhat dysfunctional federal policies, from either side, they start trying to use local law to supplement/mitigate those federal policies.

True, that very same effect we see overhere, but it doesn't mean the borders are open or that the central government changes policies. Somebody who's supported by a municipality can still be deported if he's illegal in the country. It may take a bit longer than when the municipality would fully cooperate but that doesn't change the end result.

So I repeat my question; which open borders?

[Loki]

I lived and went to college in New York city. What do you think?

[Lewkowski]

I lived and went to college in New York city. What do you think?

And you honestly don't hear that once the discussion progresses long enough?

[Loki]

And you honestly don't hear that once the discussion progresses long enough?

Not once. You'd need to go to certain societies for that (the kind that complain about Israel non-stop, which is incidentally something they care more about than Mexican migrants), and those clubs have very narrow membership. Also, keep in mind that most people don't give a damn about foreign policy, except some recent war America is fighting. There are only a few tiny Mexican nationalist groups who make the points you mentioned.

[Lewkowski]

Not once. You'd need to go to certain societies for that (the kind that complain about Israel non-stop, which is incidentally something they care more about than Mexican migrants), and those clubs have very narrow membership. Also, keep in mind that most people don't give a damn about foreign policy, except some recent war America is fighting. There are only a few tiny Mexican nationalist groups who make the points you mentioned.

Was there even a discussion of sanctuary cities? Because I feel like your point is that it wasn't discussed at all as opposed to what I was saying that liberals who support sanctuary cities using the logic of it wasn't America's land to begin with.

[Loki]

Was there even a discussion of sanctuary cities? Because I feel like your point is that it wasn't discussed at all as opposed to what I was saying that liberals who support sanctuary cities using the logic of it wasn't America's land to begin with.

I RAed on a Immigration in New York class. But it's just not a major issue.

[Aimless]

What you might hear is people pointing out the spectacular hypocrisy of bigots talking shit about immigrants when their ancestors were themselves unwelcome immigrants. See for example one Donald Drumpf

[Loki]

What you might hear is people pointing out the spectacular hypocrisy of bigots talking shit about immigrants when their ancestors were themselves unwelcome immigrants. See for example one Donald Drumpf

That's mainly a Native American talking point.

[LittleFuzzy]

That's mainly a Native American talking point.

Not really, it occurs to most of us who know that the country was built on waves of immigration, waves which were always composed primarily of the poor and dispossessed who didn't have work to keep them on their land back where they emigrated from. Any decent history education actually points out the not-infrequent political cartoons/editorials whereby contemporaries pointed out that the English and Dutch had been in the same boat as the Germans they were despising, how the North and Western Europeans were reacting to the Italians, Greeks, and Spaniards exactly as they themselves had been reacting to, etc. Asians trying to get into the country? Time for a quota system, it would be abominable to welcome them like us Irish and Italians were welcomed. So on and so forth. A far more regular pattern than the Great Revivals.

[Loki]

Most of us with a solid history education? So not very many.

[LittleFuzzy]

Most of us with a solid history education? So not very many.

Decent by the standards of general US history education (which is awful yes, so even by crappy standards it's taught). Whether they retain it is another matter of course, but it's inevitably part of a unit in most-to-all state's US History curriculum.

[Aimless]

It's a common enough meme both on- and offline. Any liberal with an internet connection and some sort of social media or discussion board presence and a fondness for John Oliver will feel on some level that there's something dodgy with the descendants of actual thieving immigrants talking shit about non-thieving immigrants.

[Aimless]

No, he gets it, he just prefers to be a dick about it. Lewk is the American equivalent of those Swedes who think chocolate balls should be called "negro balls" or worse because "that's what they're called".

[LittleFuzzy]

No, he gets it, he just prefers to be a dick about it. Lewk is the American equivalent of those Swedes who think chocolate balls should be called "negro balls" or worse because "that's what they're called".

In his defense on the topic, there is still a lot of use of the term "American Indian" including at the federal level, and plenty of the people of indigenous descent don't care for "Native American" either.