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    Default NYC: Key to the city, 27 bucks

    Miracle key we bought for $27 controls every NYC elevator, plus subways


    The key to the subway is plenty useful aboveground, too.

    After revealing that scammers are selling fare-beaters a $27 key that opens subway emergency exits, the Daily News found the key also controls elevators at thousands of city buildings.

    The FDNY confirmed the "firemen's service" key - used in emergencies - can call all elevators to the lowest floor and hold them there.

    Thousands of firefighters have the keys, which the FDNY has been using for many years, FDNY spokesman Frank Gribbon said.

    They work in "tens of thousands of buildings" - including all commercial high-rises, he said.

    The News got a key from a Brooklyn man who said he paid a transit worker $27 for a copy, which he used to avoid paying the $2.25 train fare.

    A second man busted by cops recently for having one of the keys told the Daily News he bought his copy from a transit worker for about $50.

    NYC Transit President Thomas Prendergast said the agency may have to replace the locks on the system's 1,412 gates, which would likely cost more than $1 million, he said.

    The agency will talk with the NYPD and MTA police before making such a move, he said.

    "If from a security standpoint, and in the interest of protecting the system, its employees and the customers, we have to make that level of expenditure, we will do it," Prendergast said.

    Fare-beating costs NYC Transit an estimated $27 million a year.

    About 50 people have been arrested since January 2009 for unauthorized possession of the keys.

    When NYC Transit installed emergency exit gates in the subways in 2006 and 2007, FDNY officials requested they open with the "firemen's service" key.

    City Councilman Peter Vallone (D-Queens), chairman of the Public Safety Committee, said he was even more concerned knowing the key also can be used to control elevators.

    "That's not a key I want in unauthorized hands," he said. "We know terrorists are planning attacks on our subways and buildings, and we don't need to have keys that could help them in the wrong hands."

    Gribbon downplayed security concerns.

    Using a firemen's service key in a commercial high-rise triggers an alarm, Gribbon said.

    When all elevators are held in the lobby, firefighters can use the key to maneuver individual elevators, but it requires some know-how and training, he said.
    Tee hee

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    As my Grandad used to say:

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    Oh how we wish to return to the good old days of turnstile hopping.

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    One of the reasons several (semi-)public buildings and institutions over here are switching to personalized electronic keys. As far as I know, all public schools in Hamburg recently did just such a switch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    One of the reasons several (semi-)public buildings and institutions over here are switching to personalized electronic keys.
    Those are usually just as bad (or even worse), but the good news is that it keeps out the riff-raff, while allowing the technically skilled criminal to burglarize the place without worrying about any added security.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Those are usually just as bad (or even worse), but the good news is that it keeps out the riff-raff, while allowing the technically skilled criminal to burglarize the place without worrying about any added security.
    Aha. And for that we only have your say-so. I dare say that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    One of the reasons several (semi-)public buildings and institutions over here are switching to personalized electronic keys. As far as I know, all public schools in Hamburg recently did just such a switch.
    Aren't they concerned about power outages and the like?

    I never knew those keys also made elevators go into firemen mode. I guess it makes sense — in a fire emergency in the subway, the firefighters have to enter quickly and are too laden with equipment to hop a turnstile.

    Quote Originally Posted by Illusions View Post
    If there is a booth operator there, and they see you, they'll likely report you and you'll have about 2 cops per train car door waiting for you at the next station. Either that or a cop will see you and grab you immediately.
    I think you overestimate the ability/responsiveness of the booth operators and the police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Aha. And for that we only have your say-so. I dare say that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
    Thanks for sharing that opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Oh how we wish to return to the good old days of turnstile hopping.
    If there is a booth operator there, and they see you, they'll likely report you and you'll have about 2 cops per train car door waiting for you at the next station. Either that or a cop will see you and grab you immediately.
    . . .

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    Methinks NY needs to install higher turnstiles ...
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    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbuk2 View Post
    Can i have some?

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    So, my brother using a one-time-key key pad to gain access to his bureau was an illusion then? Okay, have a nice day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    So, my brother using a one-time-key key pad to gain access to his bureau was an illusion then?
    Explain to the class it's possible to implement a true one-time-pad in an electronic lock. (Hint: it's not.)

    But, no, to be fair, it's much more likely that someone is *lying* than him getting in was an illusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Okay, have a nice day.
    As soon as you shut your ignorant pie hole, I will.
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    Cain, you have interesting knowledge very few of us here understand. Couldn't you do more with it than to get into a geek fight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gentry View Post
    Cain, you have interesting knowledge very few of us here understand. Couldn't you do more with it than to get into a geek fight?
    Undoubtedly. Just as I could do more with my money than buy beer, electronics and cigarettes... but I don't let that stop me.

    And as Khen seems to be the only one with an interest in why electronic locks are no better than normal locks (and in many instances, far, far, far less secure), and he's being an ignorant, condescending ass about it, educating him is on my to do list right below "have sex with another man" and "taste cyanide." Particularly since he's made it clear he won't accept my say-so on the matter, and believes he has the faintest clue because he can throw the wrong crypto jargon around WRT electronic locks.

    If someone else wants to know badly enough to ask, I'll provide my "meaningless say-so" on the matter tomorrow, but as far as Khen's concerned, he can shove his desire for information up his ass (along with his hostile, condescending attitude) until he punctures his small intestine for all I care. Seriously, if Khen's the only one who wants to know, I won't tell him until he can provide documented evidence that he shoved his fist up his ass so far and so forcefully as to puncture his intestinal wall.

    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    As a total tech idiot, I think Cain was implying that all digital pads have memories, regardless of lock or "one time use", open to anyone who knows how to access the memory.
    Actually, they generally don't have any memory, which is OK, because it's much easier to intercept the data in transit (and that's not even their biggest, or easiest to exploit vulnerability).
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

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    As soon as gentry stops posting as Dread's alt, maybe Cain will open up about his skillz.

    As a total tech idiot, I think Cain was implying that all digital pads have memories, regardless of lock or "one time use", open to anyone who knows how to access the memory.

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    Interceptor of data, in memory or live...whatever, you just know how to "exploit" it. Mr. Bigshot.

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