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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    You can't take anything credibly, accurate or inaccurate. Just a walking ball of prejudice and vitriol.

    No one changes their position or dedicates more support to a side because someone said "screw them both." People get driven to support Israel by belligerent shits like you. Not that you care. You're not trying to change any hearts or minds. You just want to spew hate. Makes you feel big and like you're contributing something somehow when you're too chickenshit and selfish to do anything real. Being a keyboard warrior is easy. Maybe you've made some spare change donations, maybe but sure as hell you haven't sacrificed a damn thing for it.
    Vitriol against Nazis is warranted. Zionism and Zionists need to be fucking hated, you know, because they are doing a genocide, and the shit they did in 1948.

    You condemn the holocaust genocide against European Jews, but deny the one started in 1948 which aggressors and victims live stream to you in 2024.

    If people like me make you support Israel, then go ahead and do it. It's fucking weird that your moral compass is amenable to one of millions of people online who highlight injustice, but okay. Not that I believe you, btw. Your bigoted views are entirely independent of my existence.

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Just your cognitive dissonance at work, protecting your ego from anything that might cause you even mild discomfort.
    Mate, you are the one with cognitive dissonance. It's tiring talking to an atrocity propagandist.

    All you have done is spewed emotional bullshit of plagues on everyone's houses, without actually evaluating the facts and discerning the propaganda. Instead, you further it.

    Let's see who is the one with cognitive dissonance.

    The NYT let a former Israeli soldier and intelligence analyst, Anat Schwartz, without any prior reporting experience author the 'Screams Without Words' article.

    The Wiki article shows how nepotism was involved with her writing this article that provided cover for Zionist genocide.

    There's plenty of information online of how this was a massive scandal for the NYT because it will full of Zionist lies and hasbara.

    Family of key case in New York Times October 7 sexual violence report renounces story, says reporters manipulated them

    A New York Times story claiming a pattern of gender-based violence on October 7 hinged on the story of Gal Abdush. But the Abdush family says there is no proof she was raped, and that Times reporters interviewed them under false pretenses.
    Plenty of articles online deconstructing the copious amount of lies about these mass rape claims. This is a decent one.

    Washington Post :
    Journalism professors call on New York Times to review Oct. 7 report

    A major investigative report into sexual violence in the Hamas attack on Israel has drawn criticism inside and outside the newspaper

    More than 50 tenured journalism professors from top universities have signed a letter calling on the New York Times to address questions about a major investigative report that described a ?pattern of gender-based violence? in the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks on Israel.

    The letter follows months of criticism and concerns raised by outside critics as well as some Times staffers about the credibility of its sourcing and the editorial process for the story.
    .

    The pathetic UN report

    Here is what Pramila Patten said when questioned about it, admitting that the report is not an investigation and that it contains unfounded and dubious testimonies..


    ?Hamas filmed everything on GoPros to showcase their sick acts and terrorise Israelis? and ?it was a day of widespread gang rape and sexual abuse? but ?there is no video evidence of any of this? nor any forensic evidence, nor anyone who claims they were raped, is an interesting collection of arguments that Israel holds

    But you still somehow hold it to be true.

    I mean sure, it's war and some sick fuckers might rape. But to suggest that highly trained Hamas militants who had a mission to capture hostages (a war crime) to exchange for their own people in Israeli prisons, went around to pull their dick out when they were engaged in fierce gun battles is an outrageous claim that no one in their right mind believes.

    On the other hand.



    Not to mention Mr. Shitrit, or his merry band of fuckwits did and are proud of.

    It's actually sick how and why they came up with this rape atrocity propaganda. The pollster Frank Luntz did focus groups to understand what would engage people the most.

    Max Blumenthal: Leaked Israel lobby presentation urges US officials to justify war on Gaza with ?Hamas rape? claims


    The Grayzone has obtained slides from a confidential Israel lobby presentation based on data from Republican pollster Frank Luntz. They contain talking points for politicians and public figures seeking to justify Israel?s assault on the Gaza Strip.
    Two prominent pro-Israel lobby groups are holding private briefings in New York City to coach elected officials and well-known figures on how to influence public opinion in favor of the Israeli military?s rampage in Gaza, The Grayzone can reveal. These PR sessions, convened by the UJA-Federation and Jewish Community Relations Council, rely on data collected by Frank Luntz, a veteran Republican pollster and pundit.


    A source who was present during several meetings provided Luntz?s slides to The Grayzone. Participants were informed that the presentations and data contained in the slides were strictly confidential, the source said.


    ?This is NOT helpful,? Luntz stated in response to an email from The Grayzone requesting his comment on the private meetings.


    The Luntz-tested presentations on the war in Gaza urge politicians to avoid trumpeting America?s supposedly shared democratic values with Israel, and focus instead on deploying ?The Language of War with Hamas.? According to this framing, they must deploy incendiary language painting Hamas as a ?brutal and savage?organization of hate? which has ?raped women,? while insisting Israel is engaged in ?a war for humanity.?




    On his personal website, Luntz markets himself as ?one of the most honored communications professionals in America today.? He has earned a small fortune crafting talking points for Republican Party heavyweights and scandal-stained corporate clients like Enron, the energy company which collapsed after engineering California?s energy crisis. Following the financial crash of 2008-09, Luntz advised the GOP on shielding the party?s big business donors from scrutiny. At around the same time, he furnished the Republican Governor?s Association with advice on undermining Occupy Wall Street, the movement demanding accountability for the banking industry?s malfeasance.


    The celebrity GOP pollster has moonlighted as a consultant for the Israel lobby, producing a ?Global Language Dictionary? for the now-defunct Israel Project in the aftermath of the brutal 2008-09 attack on Gaza known as Operation Cast Lead. In his propaganda handbook, Luntz counseled ?leaders who are on the front lines of fighting the media war for Israel? to shy from debates related to the illegal occupation of Palestine.


    ?Avoid talking about borders in terms of pre- or post-1967,? he advised, ?because it only serves to remind Americans of Israel?s military history. Particularly on the left, this does you harm.?

    Luntz?s Gaza war presentation puts his poll-tested tactics back in the Israel lobby?s hands, urging pro-Israel public figures to stay on the attack with incendiary language and shocking allegations against their enemies.


    In one focus group, Luntz asked participants to state which alleged act by Hamas on October 7 ?bothers you more.? After being presented with a laundry list of alleged atrocities, a majority declared that they were most upset by the claim that Hamas ?raped civilians? ? 19 percent more than those who expressed outrage that Hamas supposedly ?exterminated civilians.?




    Data like this apparently influenced the Israeli government to launch an obsessive but still unsuccessful campaign to prove that Hamas carried out sexual assault on a systematic basis on October 7. Initiated at Israel?s United Nations mission in December 2023 with speeches by neoliberal tech oligarch Sheryl Sandberg and former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, a recipient of hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations and speaking fees from Israel lobby organizations, Tel Aviv?s propaganda blitz has yet to produce a single self-identified victim of sexual assault by Hamas. A March 5 report by UN Special Representative on Sexual Violence Pramila Patten did not contain one direct testimony of sexual assault on October 7. What?s more, Patten?s team said they found ?no digital evidence specifically depicting acts of sexual violence.?


    To further the demonization of Palestinians, the Luntz-crafted slides advise that ?Israel?s best response is the brainwashed children of Hamas spewing hatred towards Jews (even more than condemning Israelis) with words they don?t know the meaning of and can?t even pronounce.?


    The portrayal of the youth of Gaza as ignorant tools of Hamas is clearly intended to deflect from Israel?s industrial-scale slaughter of some 15,000 children in the Gaza Strip since October 7, as well as the wounding, orphaning and starving of countless more in the besieged territory.
    ...... article goes on.

    Does this knowledge make any difference to you?

    Can you admit the rape allegations are lies?

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Hamas got the result they wanted. Israel's brutal atrocity-prone response is guaranteeing another two generations that will happily embrace violence against Israel and support for those that offer it. Everyone who has ever studied insurgencies recognized that playbook. What's really scary is that Israel's leadership seems to be deliberately courting that result too and that it may be for the same reason. The efforts to broaden the war certainly point in that direction. And it means sick fucks like you are getting getting exactly what you want because you'd never have any chance of seeing your goals met if the two sides could find peace. Even worse for you, you wouldn't have the opportunity to vent your spleen and pretend that it somehow signals virtue.
    They did indeed. Hamas knew Israel's nature very well and goaded it out for the world to see. But you see, Hamas is responsible for what it did, and Israel is response for what it has done.

    Israel is like a wife beater who beats the shit out of his wife and then says to her "look what you made me do".

    Personally, the only acceptable solution I find appealing is a single state for all the people who live between the river and the sea.


    Last edited by BluntHorse; 10-24-2024 at 03:08 AM.

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