Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
I agree Termite, Obama really is bucking the polls on this. But in the process he's also appearing to be radical. A few years ago my thinking was to reform/open-up the immigration process and the border would become more secure and controllable. But it's become clear that the border is a freaking mess, and I'm getting appalled that this administration seems so unwilling to seriously control it.
What do you mean "control it?" A large part of this is Bush's mess, Obama has increased the border patrol, and illegal immigration dropped precipitously with the recession. The "mess" is a lot less worse than it was four or five years ago, when a housing boom provided lots of great construction jobs for illegals.

We're never going to have a healthy debate about this issue until our southern border is less of a convenient route for trafficking, which BTW is destabilizing other parts of Latin America besides Mexico.
That is, nonetheless, a separate issue from illegal immigration. But yes, I very much agree that the drug trade is a huge problem, and border control is part of it. Do you propose that we create "fortress America?

Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
What is the right track?
TACK, you ignoramous. It's a nautical term frequently applied in discussion about strategy, since when and where one tacks is a critical decision in wild-powered nautical events involving sped (races, war). Both England and the US used to rely heavily on wind-powered nautical might, and such metaphors saturate our language. For a crash course, I'd recommend the Patrick O'Brien books. Don't worry, there's nothing dirty liberal about them.

Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
Fun fact: The Gestapo didn't ask for citizens' papers.
Really? I suppose it was more peons doing that. SA?

We all know this whole thing is race-driven, regardless of what the language is. Guaranteed cops will be saying "yeah, that guy looks like a wetback. Pull him over." I've got no problems with enforcing immigration laws in the course of normal law enforcement. I'm VERY much opposed to pulling people over just as part of dragnet searches. And I'd imagine that any anti-government conservative would feel the same way about increasing police intrusiveness. I know how Cain would feel about this, and I'd agree with him.