Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
But it isn't free. Nothing is free, like I already said.

By your definition, these poor people get free military defense. They get a free court system. They get free consumer products protections. They get free environmental protections. They get free educations. They get free sidewalks to walk down, steet lights to light their nights, roads to drive on. Why should they not get free immunizations? Why not free early diagnoses of diabetes so the disease can be controlled early on? Why not free casts for their broken bones?

But again all of this costs money. All of this is necessary to live a long, healthy, potential-filled life. And all of it makes for a prosperous country. The problem with US health care isn't that too many people have it, that everyone should have it, that our goal must be to ensure everyone has it; the problem is we spend way too fucking much on it. We need to find out what is driving the cost and find a means to curb that.
It sounds like you're leaning towards the European social-democratic model, which I just don't think is feasible. It sounds nice, but there are real costs to that cradle-to-grave welfare state model that I don't think are worthwhile.

Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
For the love of...

You've got a degree from an ivy league school right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_mellitus_type_1

Did they ever mention this condition?

Did you know that there are many diabetics that can't control their blood sugar levels without insulin even though they aren't force-fed sugar in their sleep??

Granted, but in one of those groups gay marriage and abortion remain controversial and in the other you find CitizenCain. Loki asked about human rights, and that's one take on human rights. Feel free to present the Dreadnaught Convention on Human Rights

There's nothing remarkably contradictory about it. Even Enoch recognises that your rights end where mine begin. Parents' right to choose the kind of education is tempered by their kids' right to get an education in accordance with the two preceding clauses.

So, about your ridiculous military spending and your incompetence wrt taxing corporations on their profits and your thousands of retarded tax loopholes and
No.

And I didn't know what your point about diabetes was. I still don't, you haven't really explained how the existence of diabetes validates the welfare state. Nor have you explained how your welfare state would be possible without living so close to the NATO defense umbrella that you may as well be under it, even if you don't contribute directly to it.