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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    That's a question that deserves to be examined. What are the consequences of [increasing] economic inequality? I've personally only seen the question approached from political and moral angles. Economists never content with answers like "it's good enough because everyone's better off" when there are possible scenarios in which everyone might be even better off. Surely some great economic thinkers have looked at the consequences of eg. income inequality...??
    Mayor Bloomberg is among the few political leaders who recognizes the potential consequences----social unrest. Growing polarity, not just between top income minority and lower income majority, but in our politics and 'governance'. It leads to extremism, fanaticism, dysfunction. It's surprising that the anti-government or less government posters here don't make the connections between money and power. Money in our politics that fuels lobbyists and huge donors, special interests that hold sway over our elected reps, policies favoring the biggest funders. Energy, healthcare, banking, education, trade...follow the money.

    Thanks for some more context I just realised that most of those college graduates are probably not in the 20th percentile in that graph. I have no idea why GGT would want you guys to go back to a manufacturing-oriented economy, we should ask her.
    I've never said we should go backward to "old" manufacturing that would be inefficient by today's standards. But we should have "modern" manufacturing here in the US, using robotics and technology, making new and future things (solar panels, iPads, bullet trains, IT). Some of that doesn't require a four year degree, maybe only two years with apprenticeships, trade school or community college.

    It's great that people have two cars and five ipads but I can't help but feel as if it might be even better if people also had more quality time with their kids and less stress in their lives
    And mobility. Economic and social. The housing bust has left millions of people immobile, even those with college degrees looking for jobs, especially those over 40. Some degrees only help "tread water" (or are totally useless in a down economy). There are economic thinkers discussing a lost decade, or a possibly lost generation, and the old American Dream of having a better life than the generation before may have hit a wall.

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    Since 2003 I've been telling this board it's about jobs. Most of you are still noob to that.
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    Being! Where the hell have you been? Glad to see you back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Being! Where the hell have you been? Glad to see you back.
    Welp, that makes one of us.
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    Two of our larger public unions have had high-ranking members indicted for fraud and cronyism at public expense. One article details how friends, family and other people connected to NYC police officers got in touch with high-ranking union officials to get parking tickets destroyed.

    In a monetarily larger scandal, indictments have finally come down over the astonishingly high proportion of Long Island Rail Road employees who apply for disability benefits and receive supplementary pensions.

    October 28, 2011
    Unsealed Indictments Shed Light on Procedures for Ticket-Fixing by Officers
    By AL BAKER and JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN

    Last June 17, Officer Brian McGuckin received yet another phone call about a parking ticket.

    A police union trustee in the Bronx, Officer McGuckin went through the usual procedure: he called a union delegate at the 48th Precinct, Officer Christopher Scott, who a day later called in a favor to an officer who could get his hands on the ticket to have it destroyed.

    Those and other details were included in indictments unsealed on Friday, which also highlighted how word flowed quickly back from Officer Scott to Officer McGuckin, two of the union’s top officials in the Bronx.

    The job was done, the ticket intercepted. Officer McGuckin closed the loop by text messaging the person who made the request.


    Two days. At least half a dozen phone communications. And a scheme to make one ticket disappear that prosecutors said encompassed several crimes: grand larceny, official misconduct, obstruction of governmental administration, conspiracy and criminal solicitation.

    The nodes in the network of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, the city’s largest police union, continued humming with seemingly mundane notifications — but this time they were being intercepted by investigators on wiretaps, prosecutors said.

    And so it went, over and over, according to the 21 indictments against 16 New York City police officers, all of whom pleaded not guilty on Friday.

    The more than 1,000 pages of court papers also revealed far more serious allegations, including those ascribed to an officer caught in a sting transporting, prosecutors say, what he believed was heroin and stealing $20,000 from a motel room.

    But it was the allegations of the web of ticket-fixing activities by union officials that shed light on what appears to be a little-known facet of police culture. The indictments suggest that union trustees and delegates were often busy tracking down and intercepting tickets to make them disappear for friends and relatives of other officers.

    In May 2010, for example, Officer Scott handled tickets on 11 days alone, according to the indictment, including two separate tickets on a single day.

    In all, Robert T. Johnson, the Bronx district attorney, said the ticket-fixing scandal had bled between $1 million and $2 million in revenue from the city’s coffers and tainted the police force.

    “We feel that this is not minimal conduct,” he said. “This is felony conduct. It is criminal conduct.”

    The charges involved more than 300 summonses, though about 800 cases of ticket-fixing were identified during the inquiry. The investigation began in December 2008, when a wiretap of Officer Jose R. Ramos, who was allegedly providing protection for a drug dealer, picked up conversations about ticket-fixing, prosecutors said.

    Among the resulting indictments, that of Officer Joseph Anthony, 46, with 106 criminal counts spelled out in 70 pages, was among the leaner ones.

    Officer Virgilio Bencosme, 33, a delegate from the 40th Precinct, and Officer Jason Cenizal, 39, a former delegate from the 42nd, seemed more comfortable than others, according to court papers, in using text messages to relay specifics about destroying a summons. Officer Eugene P. O’Reilly, 39, a union delegate in the 45th Precinct, was named in the most counts, more than 250, and was also charged with forgery.

    Sometimes the process was simple: some traffic tickets were handled with minimal calls, prosecutors said.

    Other tickets required more talking and more networking, a reflection of how difficult it might be to track down a scrap of paper in a large bureaucracy — the nation’s largest municipal police force. And that paper was sometimes a moving target as it traveled from an officer’s hands to a locked box in a station house to the borough command and onward to the city’s Finance Department or the state’s Department of Motor Vehicles.

    Officer Anthony could take a week or more, the court papers alleged, to track down and follow up on a particular ticket, a reflection of his relatively senior standing in the union and his delegating of those tasks.

    None of the indicted officers were accused of accepting bribes or gratuities.

    Stephen C. Worth — a lawyer for the police union who, along with his partner, represented 11 of the indicted officers at their arraignments on Friday — seized on that absence of payoffs.

    “With well over 100 counts contained in most of these indictments against each individual, it certainly appears to be a classic case of prosecutorial overcharging,” he said. “Apparently it’s an attempt to justify the huge amount of time and money that was spent on an investigation, which concerns relatively minor administrative misconduct at best.”

    He added, “I don’t think it’s corruption.”

    Prosecutors said the inquiry involved monitoring 10,000 phone calls, a number they highlighted to show the investigation’s depth. But that number also hinted at the nature of the targets.

    Union delegates and trustees spend much of their day fielding phone calls, doling out advice and trying to fix colleagues’ problems, whether about a burst water pipe in a locker room or an officer under scrutiny for firing his gun. They see themselves as a unifying force among officers.

    Late Thursday night, shortly before all but one of the officers turned themselves in, the Police Department issued an internal memo to notify the force of the officers’ status.

    Addressed “To All Commands,” the message, in capital letters, listed the name, rank, assignment, badge number and tax identification number, the police’s version of a Social Security number, for each officer.

    In terse bureaucratic language, the department set those officers apart from their peers: As of 11:59 p.m., “The following uniformed members of the service are hereby suspended from duty without pay pending trial of charges pursuant to the administrative code.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/ny...e-charged.html
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    October 27, 2011
    11 Charged in L.I.R.R. Disability Fraud Plot

    By WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM and MOSI SECRET

    Eleven people were charged on Thursday in an enormous fraud scheme in which hundreds of Long Island Rail Road workers falsely claimed to have disabling injuries, with some of them collecting tens of thousands of dollars in annual pensions while spending time playing golf, law enforcement officials said.

    The fraudulent payouts in the scheme, officials estimate, could end up costing a federal pension agency more than $1 billion if fully disbursed.

    Ten of the defendants were taken into custody early Thursday at their homes by agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and state investigators, officials said. They included seven former railroad workers, including a former union president; a former federal railroad pension agency employee who helped the workers file claims; a doctor; and a doctor’s office manager. A second doctor is expected to surrender on Friday.

    The United States attorney in Manhattan, Preet Bharara, said, “Employees, in many cases, after claiming to be too disabled to stand, sit, walk or climb steps, retired to lives of regular golf, tennis, biking and aerobics.”

    The charges involving the railroad come at a time when public workers’ unions across the country have faced heavy criticism for negotiating pension obligations that led many government agencies to slash services and lay off teachers, police officers and other workers.

    A sampling of hundreds of cases approved by two doctors showed that $121 million had been paid to workers whose disabilities were either fabricated or exaggerated, according to court papers, though the total was quite likely more. It was unclear if officials would try to stop the payouts, or could even legally do so, before the disbursements hit $1 billion.

    The federal investigation followed reporting by The New York Times for a series of articles published in 2008 that revealed systematic abuses of federal Railroad Retirement Board pensions by Long Island Rail Road workers.

    The claims of disability made by the seven people charged with obtaining their pensions fraudulently contrasted sharply with their lifestyles, according to court papers. One of the defendants, Gregory Noone, 62, of East Islip, N.Y., who receives $105,000 in pension and disability payments each year, plays tennis several times a week and played golf 140 days over the course of one nine-month period, despite his reports that he had severe pain when gripping objects, bending or crouching, the complaint filed in the case said.

    Another defendant, Regina Walsh, 63, a railroad office worker who lives in New Hyde Park, N.Y., collects $108,000 a year in pension and disability payments; she had complained of significant neck, shoulder and hand pain caused by sitting at a desk and using a computer, and leg pain caused by standing for more than five minutes. But surveillance showed her shoveling snow for over an hour and walking with a baby stroller for 40 minutes, the complaint said.

    And a third defendant, Steven Gagliano, 55, of North Babylon, N.Y., who receives more than $75,000 in payments annually and claimed to be suffering from severe and disabling back pain, went on a 400-mile bike tour around New York State, the complaint said.

    The complaint, 74 pages long, said that “the fraudulent scheme could cause the R.R.B. to pay unwarranted occupational disability benefits exceeding $1 billion dollars if disbursed in full.”

    Federal prosecutors and the F.B.I. were helped in the investigation by inspectors general from the Railroad Retirement Board and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, the parent agency of the Long Island Rail Road.

    Nine defendants appeared on Thursday before United States Magistrate Judge Theodore H. Katz in Manhattan; eight were released on personal recognizance bonds. A ninth defendant was taken to a hospital after becoming ill. The 10th defendant is to appear on Friday. Each defendant faces a maximum of 20 years in prison if convicted.

    The Times articles reported that virtually every career employee of the railroad was applying for and receiving disability payments, giving the Long Island Rail Road a disability rate three to four times that of the average railroad.

    The Long Island Rail Road, unlike any other commuter railroad in the country, allows workers to collect an early pension, in some cases at age 50, which they can supplement with disability pensions from the federal railroad agency. The Times found that retired railroad employees who had successfully claimed disability were regularly playing golf at a state-owned course without charge — another perquisite of their disability.

    Indeed, the railroad’s retirement rate was particularly striking when compared with the number of disability pensions at Metro-North Railroad, another subsidiary of the transit authority that serves commuters to New York City with a work force of similar size and composition.

    Investigators involved in the case said they brought charges only in cases with the strongest proof and the most egregious instances of fraud. But in a news conference on Thursday, officials gave a warning to railroad retirees with knowledge about any continuing disability fraud.

    “If you have this kind of firsthand information, we would like to hear from you,” said Diego Rodriguez, the special agent in charge of the criminal division of the F.B.I.’s New York office. “For those who choose not to contact us, there is a good chance we will be contacting you.”

    Helena E. Williams, president of the Long Island Rail Road, said, “We have to be very vigilant making any improvements we can make with the mission of changing the culture at the railroad.”

    Two doctors were charged in the case, Peter J. Ajemian, 62, of Syosset, and Peter Lesniewski, 60, of Rockville Centre, N.Y. A third doctor whose conduct was detailed in the complaint recently died. Together, they were responsible for 86 percent of the railroad’s disability applications filed before 2008, running what amounted to “disability mills,” the complaint said. They prepared false medical assessments and so-called illness narratives for hundreds of retirees to file with the retirement board, the complaint says.

    Dr. Ajemian was taken into custody on Thursday; Dr. Lesniewski is expected to surrender on Friday. Dr. Ajemian was assisted by his office manager, Maria Rusin, 55, of Farmingdale, N.Y., who was also charged in the case, the complaint said.

    The doctors were paid — often in cash — $800 to $1,200 for each fake assessment and narrative, in addition to the millions of dollars in health insurance payments they received for unnecessary medical treatments and fees for preparing false medical records to support the disability claims, the complaint said.

    Also charged in the case were the former railroad union president, Joseph Rutigliano, 64, of Holtsville, N.Y., and Marie Baran, 64, of East Meadow, N.Y., who served as the Railroad Retirement Board’s district office manager in Westbury, N.Y., until she retired in 2006, according to the complaint.

    Mr. Rutigliano, a former conductor with the Long Island Rail Road, retired in 1999, after a year in which he worked more than 500 hours of overtime and took no sick leave, according to the complaint. He then applied for and received disability benefits after his retirement.

    Others who were charged with falsely claiming they were unable to work and receiving disability benefits were Sharon Falloon, 56, of Merrick, N.Y.; Gary Satin, 62, of Mooresville, N.C.; and Richard Ehrlinger, 64, of Bay Shore, N.Y., according to the complaint.

    Ms. Falloon, who collected $90,349 annually in disability and pension payments, said she had a hard time climbing stairs, the complaint said. But surveillance video showed her taking a 45-minute step aerobics class at a gym. The video ran out after two hours, the complaint, but Ms. Falloon was still working out.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/28/ny...ty-scheme.html

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    Two of our larger public unions have had high-ranking members indicted for fraud and cronyism at public expense. One article details how friends, family and other people connected to NYC police officers got in touch with high-ranking union officials to get parking tickets destroyed.

    In a monetarily larger scandal, indictments have finally come down over the astonishingly high proportion of Long Island Rail Road employees who apply for disability benefits and receive supplementary pensions.



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    Too bad we can't afford to throw them all in jail...and why don't you rail against corporations whose employees pull the same shit?
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    Pull what shit specifically? And I'm not railing against the existence of the police or transit authorities, but the unions which have parasitically occupied them for generations.

    And here I thought you were going to talk about the taxpayers of Ohio digging themselves into a hole tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    Pull what shit specifically? And I'm not railing against the existence of the police or transit authorities, but the unions which have parasitically occupied them for generations.

    And here I thought you were going to talk about the taxpayers of Ohio digging themselves into a hole tonight.
    Fraud and cronyism isn't something perpetrated just by public unions, ya know.

    Ohio rejected laws banning collective bargaining by public union employees. That doesn't mean they "dug Ohio taxpayers into a [budgetary] hole". They simply didn't want to be prohibited from negotiating kevlar vests for police or fire-retardant clothing for fire-fighters, as part of provided employment safety tools.

    We also shouldn't expect any soldier to buy all their own protective gear, weapons, or vehicles, from their pithy salary, while carrying out their national service jobs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Ohio rejected laws banning collective bargaining by public union employees. That doesn't mean they "dug Ohio taxpayers into a [budgetary] hole".
    Sure it does.

    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    They simply didn't want to be prohibited from negotiating kevlar vests for police or fire-retardant clothing for fire-fighters, as part of provided employment safety tools.
    That's the biggest load of shit since OG's "a PS3 is an educational tool" absurdity. Collective bargaining is all about increasing salary and benefits for workers, and has nothing to do with the gear allocated to employees.
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    In all fairness, unions are there for all rights and job conditions, which definitely includes job safety. But yes, I would say the salary and benefits are the most important part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    In all fairness, unions are there for all rights and job conditions, which definitely includes job safety. But yes, I would say the salary and benefits are the most important part.
    Well, in theory, in the past anyway. Certainly not the modern American experience with unions - look at our auto makers, forced to pay high-school drop outs 6 figures for jobs that don't warrant more than 10 bucks an hour and abuses like that there. Public unions are no different, except that they basically get to extort even better deals for themselves by virtue of electing their bosses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Well, in theory, in the past anyway. Certainly not the modern American experience with unions - look at our auto makers, forced to pay high-school drop outs 6 figures for jobs that don't warrant more than 10 bucks an hour and abuses like that there. Public unions are no different, except that they basically get to extort even better deals for themselves by virtue of electing their bosses.
    Well, you'll have to forgive me, I don't know much beyond US unions besides them being a bit sucky, over here they are generally reasonable.
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