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    What if "radical feminism" had a nicer name, perhaps a name that hadn't been hijacked and turned from something that pertains to the roots to something that has connotations of the extremist fringe?
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    I suppose Crazy Bitch is out of the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    What if "radical feminism" had a nicer name, perhaps a name that hadn't been hijacked and turned from something that pertains to the roots to something that has connotations of the extremist fringe?
    Yeah man, what if.
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    You know, like if they'd started out calling it "regular feminism" perhaps it wouldn't have drawn so much crazy or developed this crazy image or been seen as fringe instead of mainstream.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Regular feminism is already a thing. Radical feminism is where they put their crazy.

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    You're so right, Minx. By what right are feminists tarnishing the formerly good reputation of those lovable atoms, molecules, and ions that are just looking for more electrons to love? Free the radicals!
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    You know, like if they'd started out calling it "regular feminism" perhaps it wouldn't have drawn so much crazy or developed this crazy image or been seen as fringe instead of mainstream.
    Sounds like someone has been getting in touch with their inner, deeply rooted, paternalistic, rape-culture-infused-misogynistic tendencies.

    That someone is you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    What if "radical feminism" had a nicer name, perhaps a name that hadn't been hijacked and turned from something that pertains to the roots to something that has connotations of the extremist fringe?
    Well, how do you define "radical feminism" and what distinguishes it from "feminism"?

    And, just to speculate on how these definitions play out, can feminism be an ideology about social values that is separate from any legislative agenda?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    What if "radical feminism" had a nicer name, perhaps a name that hadn't been hijacked and turned from something that pertains to the roots to something that has connotations of the extremist fringe?
    Radical Feminism refers expressly to those occupying the extremist fringe. Or do you propose another term for a group of people who believe or feel that all men are rapists or potential rapists, that its impossible for a man to be objectified, and that all men wish to objectify or do objectify all women? Also that men are stupid (which is why advertisements depicting us as stupid aren't the same as advertisements depicting women as poor drivers, because men are actually stupid).
    . . .

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    My senior drama teacher was, or close to, a radical feminist, along with many of the other female teachers at the high school (mostly English teachers). I won't get into the details, but looking back at some of the stuff that we were taught, all I can think is "seriously?" For instance, in drama, we had to read the play "End Game" by Samuel Beckett (because you know, it's such a wonderful, inspiring play that doesn't leave a class of teenagers feeling empty and depressed), it was a part of a unit on "existentialism", and then we had to write an essay discussing it, but also analysing it from a *drum roll* 'Marxist approach' and 'Feminist approach' I won't get into the details, but every single other play that we read (along with novel in English), the teacher would delve into a lengthy discussion on how you can read it from a 'feminist approach', and then talk about how women are objectified in todays world...oh god no!

    As for the initial question, I don't think it would change the nature of the philosophy/ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    Well, how do you define "radical feminism" and what distinguishes it from "feminism"?
    I usually define them as those who don't just want to have things like "equal rights" and "equal pay for equal work" but also want to pay back the thousands of years of oppression that womanity has suffered from men.
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    I don't think there really are any actual ideas you could definitively say are "radical feminist". Feminism seems to have, like, a billion sub-movements which all seem to differ in beliefs, ideology, methods and character. Radical feminism is just one of the bigger circles in the crazy-ass Venn diagram of Feminist Sects.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

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    Seems like there are a lot of strawman here, from both the proponents and opponents of the ideology: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_feminism
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    Is Feminazi out of the question?
    Such is Life...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith View Post
    Regular feminism is already a thing. Radical feminism is where they put their crazy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    Well, how do you define "radical feminism" and what distinguishes it from "feminism"?

    And, just to speculate on how these definitions play out, can feminism be an ideology about social values that is separate from any legislative agenda?
    Not sure. Part and parcel, perhaps. Gender shouldn't really command an entire ideology when it comes to social values. Then again, if it's mostly men making the majority of legislative agenda...

    Quote Originally Posted by termite View Post
    Is Feminazi out of the question?
    Yes. Because that lumps feminists in with Hitler and Nazis, so it's automatically derogatory. Try that with any other historically marginalized group, like indigenous natives, indentured black slaves, immigrants, or homosexuals, and see how that works. ie, it doesn't.

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    Because natives, slaves, immigrant and gays all choose to be crazy, rabid, fascistic bitches?

    I don't think so. Feminazi works quite well precisely because radical feminists are essentially proposing (or claiming to support) gender-based fascistic policies, and even look as crazy as Hitler does in the videos of his old speeches. It even has a certain aesthetic appeal in the way it sounds.

    So, yes, I think we should accept Minxy's proposal, and instead of marginalizing this group by calling them "radical" feminists, refer to them as feminazis.
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