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    Default The Corporate Psychopaths Theory of the Global Financial Crisis

    From the Journal of Business Ethics:

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/9072633443675517/

    Abstract

    This short theoretical paper elucidates a plausible theory about the Global Financial Crisis and the role of senior financial corporate directors in that crisis. The paper presents a theory of the Global Financial Crisis which argues that psychopaths working in corporations and in financial corporations, in particular, have had a major part in causing the crisis. This paper is thus a very short theoretical paper but is one that may be very important to the future of capitalism because it discusses significant ways in which Corporate Psychopaths may have acted recently, to the detriment of many. Further research into this theory is called for.
    Bloomberg op-ed:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...iam-cohan.html

    It took a relatively obscure former British academic to propagate a theory of the financial crisis that would confirm what many people suspected all along: The “corporate psychopaths” at the helm of our financial institutions are to blame.
    Clive R. Boddy, most recently a professor at the Nottingham Business School at Nottingham Trent University, says psychopaths are the 1 percent of “people who, perhaps due to physical factors to do with abnormal brain connectivity and chemistry” lack a “conscience, have few emotions and display an inability to have any feelings, sympathy or empathy for other people.”
    As a result, Boddy argues in a recent issue of the Journal of Business Ethics, such people are “extraordinarily cold, much more calculating and ruthless towards others than most people are and therefore a menace to the companies they work for and to society.”
    How do people with such obvious personality flaws make it to the top of seemingly successful corporations? Boddy says psychopaths take advantage of the “relative chaotic nature of the modern corporation,” including “rapid change, constant renewal” and high turnover of “key personnel.” Such circumstances allow them to ascend through a combination of “charm” and “charisma,” which makes “their behaviour invisible” and “makes them appear normal and even to be ideal leaders.”

    Stable Environment

    Until the last third of the 20th century, he writes, companies were mostly stable and slow to change. Lifetime employment was a reasonable expectation and people rose through the ranks.
    This stable environment meant corporate psychopaths “would be noticeable and identifiable as undesirable managers because of their selfish egotistical personalities and other ethical defects.”
    For Wall Street -- a rapidly changing and highly dynamic corporate environment if there ever was one, especially when the firms transformed themselves from private partnerships into public companies with quarterly reporting requirements -- the trouble started when these charmers made their way to corner offices of important financial institutions.
    Then, according to Boddy’s “Corporate Psychopaths Theory of the Global Financial Crisis,” these men were “able to influence the moral climate of the whole organization” to wield “considerable power.”
    They “largely caused the crisis” because their “single- minded pursuit of their own self-enrichment and self- aggrandizement to the exclusion of all other considerations has led to an abandonment of the old-fashioned concept of noblesse oblige, equality, fairness, or of any real notion of corporate social responsibility.”
    Boddy doesn’t name names, but the type of personality he describes is recognizable to all from the financial crisis.
    He says the unnamed “they” seem “to be unaffected” by the corporate collapses they cause. These psychopaths “present themselves as glibly unbothered by the chaos around them, unconcerned about those who have lost their jobs, savings and investments, and as lacking any regrets about what they have done. They cheerfully lie about their involvement in events, are very convincing in blaming others for what has happened and have no doubts about their own worth and value. They are happy to walk away from the economic disaster that they have managed to bring about, with huge payoffs and with new roles advising governments how to prevent such economic disasters.”

    ‘Reasoning Aptitudes’

    In closing his short essay, Boddy recognizes that the theory is relatively untested and would benefit from “further development and research” into the “personalities and moral reasoning aptitudes of the leaders” of the companies that got into serious trouble in the financial crisis.
    In an e-mail correspondence with me, he said his article has been warmly received and has been downloaded 9,440 times in the past 90 days. “Apparently this is a lot for an academic article and it is more than the next four most-downloaded papers combined,” he wrote.
    He also has a prescription for how to prevent psychopaths from getting into positions of power on Wall Street and elsewhere.
    “Anyone who makes decisions that affect significant numbers of other people, concerning issues of corporate social responsibility or toxic waste, for example, or concerning mass financial markets or mass employment, should be screened to make sure that they are, at the very least, not psychopaths and at most are actually people who care about others,” he wrote.
    Makes sense to me.


    Sounds like the Gordon Gecko philosophy ("Greed is Good") run amok. I can't help but think of Mitt Romney's Bain Capital ("Corporations are People") that used corporate take-overs to pad shareholders' profits, at the expense of real working people. And the Citizens United decision....which now has candidates like Gingrich complaining about multiple millions of dollars from anonymous super-PACs running negative ads. Plus, guys like Corzine...who exploited the revolving door between Wall Street and politics to enrich themselves...and our "insider trading" debacle in congress.

    Are the 'lunatics' running the asylum?







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    Gee, I didn't realize economists were fit to write about psychology. There seems to be an inverse relationship between someone knowledge of their field and their vilifying of political enemies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Gee, I didn't realize economists were fit to write about psychology. There seems to be an inverse relationship between someone knowledge of their field and their vilifying of political enemies.
    Economists are "fit" enough to write about business ethics, with judgement-making part of philosophy and psychology. Why not? They posit theories all the time, and even manage to convince politicians to create policy based on some of those theories.

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    Shockingly, all of a sudden GeeGee likes "experts" and economists when they're theorizing that all the j00s are psychopaths stealing the k0mm0n man's gold.

    Granted, the consistency boat sailed a long time ago, and you weren't on it, but it's pretty transparent when you rail against anything resembling an expert opinion or an academic... until they're theorizing outside of their area of expertise and are (therefore) just wrong enough that you can twist their theories into a j00spiracy or whatever.
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    Hi, Cain. Like most people, I tend to agree with experts and economists that share my POV or philosophy, and I like "soft sciences" (like Behavioral Economics). Plus, it was a newer angle to dig deeper into the people and multi-factorial causes behind the global financial fiasco, other than the usual blame on gummint or general greed. Sociopaths or psychopaths, narcissism or megalomania, brain pathology or learned behavior...

    I think it's also interesting how "we" follow and view the vetting of Presidential candidates, trying to get a handle on their character and trust factor. Some of them do seem bat-shit insane but manage to get avid supporters, convince people to give them millions of dollars, and get elected into positions of power. Who's crazy now?

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    The person who thinks hypocrisy is a positive trait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Who's crazy now?
    Yeah, still you.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The person who thinks hypocrisy is a positive trait.
    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Yeah, still you.
    If neither of you have a comment about the topic, and no one else does, that's not an invitation for your flamebait and personal assaults.

    Feel free to ignore the thread, or maybe Wraith can close it.

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    I thought this language was un-Politically Correct. Or does that not matter when you're villifying Evil Bankers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    I thought this language was un-Politically Correct. Or does that not matter when you're villifying Evil Bankers.
    It's the behavior being "villified", using corporate ethics in his hypothesis. Could just as easily "villify" politicians' behaviors....they must have a screw loose to even run for office in the first place. Does that matter when people "villify" the Evil Government?

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    If somebody called Obama a psychopath you'd sniff at them I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    If somebody called Obama a psychopath you'd sniff at them I think.
    All politicians are a bit "psycho", IMO. Look, if nobody wants to discuss subtle psychopathy as a reason for bad behavior (among powerful people or leaders in general)....then please, just close this damn thread.

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    They're probably not actual psychopaths. The notion that certain jobs and environments select for certain behaviours or personal traits isn't exactly an insane one, and I'm not sure why it'd be so insulting and offensive to anyone on this board. Or is this not a place where both sides of the political spectrum routinely point out the many less-awesome aspects of normal and abnormal human behaviour, in various settings? Have I magically been transported to an alternate version of tWF where human behaviour has been defined by consensus to always be awesome?

    If nothing else then this idea should be relatively straightforward to test--provided anyone volunteers--but then I suppose we'd hear outraged rants about how you can't trust studies conducted by psychologists and psychiatrists. I would of course agree with those, esp. now that we know how unreliable psychological/psychiatric research seems to be.

    Studies aside, anyone who's worked in harsh competitive demanding high-stress dog-eat-dog etc. environments know how they can affect a normal person and what helps people rise to the top/middle in such environments. I see it in some clinics. Those of my friends who've gotten into investment banking see it at their workplaces (and, after a while, in themselves ). All of you've seen it in Wall Street and read about it in Liar's Poker, although I suppose those should really be taken with a pinch of salt. Either way, you can probably afford to be sensible about this thread even though it was posted by GGT and even if it galls you more than the thought of eating three vegetarian meals per week.
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    Read the guy's bio. He has no business writing about either economics or psychology. He has no experience with the former and no background with the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Read the guy's bio. He has no business writing about either economics or psychology. He has no experience with the former and no background with the latter.
    His background seems to be in marketing and business, and I presume that's why he's writing about things pertinent to marketing and business such as the organization of businesses, business ethics, management styles, that sort of thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    His background seems to be in marketing and business, and I presume that's why he's writing about things pertinent to marketing and business such as the organization of businesses, business ethics, management styles, that sort of thing.
    Remind me how having a background in marketing makes one qualified to write about economics or psychology (especially the latter). Or for that matter, you see nothing wrong with conflating ethics (what is right) with a mental condition (which is genetic)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Remind me how having a background in marketing makes one qualified to write about economics or psychology (especially the latter).
    Perhaps it makes one somewhat qualified to write about businesses and their management, although it's possible all of that is just hokum anyway (ask Nessie ). Moreover, while he does seem fond of citing himself, he does occasionally cite other researchers. Then again it's possible none of them have any background in psychology either.

    Or for that matter, you see nothing wrong with conflating ethics (what is right) with a mental condition (which is genetic)?
    I don't know about conflation, I just skimmed and got the impression it was an attempt to explore a provocative explanation for [allegedly] unethical behaviour [allegedly] displayed/encouraged by people in leadership positions in the financial industry.

    But that is an interesting philosophical question. Is it possible for a psychopath to engage in unethical behaviour?
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    That's a question for trained psychologists to answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    a mental condition (which is genetic)?
    Are you sure? I thought it could be caused by both nature and nurture.

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    Pretty much every illness is caused by some combination of the two, but there's a very strong predisposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    ....

    I don't know about conflation, I just skimmed and got the impression it was an attempt to explore a provocative explanation for [allegedly] unethical behaviour [allegedly] displayed/encouraged by people in leadership positions in the financial industry.

    But that is an interesting philosophical question. Is it possible for a psychopath to engage in unethical behaviour?
    Yeah, I found it (mental health/psychopathy) an interesting angle to approach ethical/philosophical questions. At least one I'd never seen mentioned in mainstream media (and the link came from Bloomberg). Whether in corporate or government business, there's enough "lunacy" around for plenty of theories, in-depth scrutiny, and figuring out causes from symptoms. Instead of the same old explanations that blame politics/government/policy for all that ails a nation.



    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    That's a question for trained psychologists to answer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Pretty much every illness is caused by some combination of the two, but there's a very strong predisposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    To be fair it's not as if Loki's trying to gain fame and money
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    All politicians are a bit "psycho", IMO. Look, if nobody wants to discuss subtle psychopathy as a reason for bad behavior (among powerful people or leaders in general)....then please, just close this damn thread.
    When did that rule come into effect? The bash-the-j00s-with-me-or-close-the-thread rule, I mean. We get it. You hate j00s. And successful people. And anyone evil enough to provide jobs to his fellow man, instead of just stealing money from his neighbors. That last one kinda puzzles me, but whatever, I guess hatred doesn't have to make sense.

    Point being that just because you find this latest hack's sophomoric drivel to be riveting and thought provoking doesn't mean that the rest of us will too, and you'll probably be better off for it if you just accept that and move on.

    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Are you sure? I thought it could be caused by both nature and nurture.
    That's true of just about anything, though. I can "nurture" mental retardation with a metal pipe a few minutes to kill. And like just about anything else, it's not a binary option. One person may smoke 2 packs a day, go full blown alcoholic and regularly use some of nature's more enjoyable forms of plant life and live to be 100, whereas someone else might die of cancer in infancy. Same deal with [clinical] sociopathy, to a large extent - some people are born sociopaths (j00s, for example ), some people have a disposition and may or may not get "nurtured" into developing the condition, and some people will somehow live and die completely unaffected by all the environmental exposure that would break a normal person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    When did that rule come into effect? The bash-the-j00s-with-me-or-close-the-thread rule, I mean. We get it. You hate j00s. And successful people. And anyone evil enough to provide jobs to his fellow man, instead of just stealing money from his neighbors. That last one kinda puzzles me, but whatever, I guess hatred doesn't have to make sense.

    Point being that just because you find this latest hack's sophomoric drivel to be riveting and thought provoking doesn't mean that the rest of us will too, and you'll probably be better off for it if you just accept that and move on.

    That's true of just about anything, though. I can "nurture" mental retardation with a metal pipe a few minutes to kill. And like just about anything else, it's not a binary option. One person may smoke 2 packs a day, go full blown alcoholic and regularly use some of nature's more enjoyable forms of plant life and live to be 100, whereas someone else might die of cancer in infancy. Same deal with [clinical] sociopathy, to a large extent - some people are born sociopaths (j00s, for example ), some people have a disposition and may or may not get "nurtured" into developing the condition, and some people will somehow live and die completely unaffected by all the environmental exposure that would break a normal person.
    In reality, your diatribe is a good example of psychopathy disguised as humor, sarcasm, sardonic wit. Anyone who dares to challenge that (you) is either stupid or ignorant....or, ironically, "crazy". It's become more common and acceptable as an offensive label, possibly because it's so hard to explain it as a defense.

    But directed to you, Cain, how can your narrative be so off-track? So entrenched in Denial that you say others are haters of success?

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    Be nice, Cain's not a psychopath, he's just a little broken. The pulling-wings-off-of-flies stuff was for science
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    In reality, your diatribe is a good example of psychopathy
    Oh, so you're doing that thing where you try to discuss a topic without even knowing what the ****ing definition of the word is? Great. Next time say so up front, and save everyone a bunch of time.

    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Anyone
    And just as another note, YOU are not everyone, so get over that already. A criticism of YOU is a criticism of you, not "anyone" or "everyone."

    And since the rest of your post is basically... well, delusional and/or completely divorced from reality, I'm not going to bother responding at it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Be nice, Cain's not a psychopath, he's just a little broken. The pulling-wings-off-of-flies stuff was for science
    I hope that's the off-the-cuff comment it looks like, because I'd never do something as horrible as torturing an innocent creature, or (for that matter) would any "pulling-wings-off-of-flies stuff" I might partake in be "for science" or anything remotely related motivation.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Oh, so you're doing that thing where you try to discuss a topic without even knowing what the ****ing definition of the word is? Great. Next time say so up front, and save everyone a bunch of time.

    And just as another note, YOU are not everyone, so get over that already. A criticism of YOU is a criticism of you, not "anyone" or "everyone."

    And since the rest of your post is basically... well, delusional and/or completely divorced from reality, I'm not going to bother responding at it.
    Then I'll phrase it another way: please stop with your accusations of hating jews, success, and other inflammatory labels directed at me when none of it's relevant.

    Point being that just because you find this latest hack's sophomoric drivel to be riveting and thought provoking doesn't mean that the rest of us will too, and you'll probably be better off for it if you just accept that and move on.
    No, if you find it "drivel", then either explain why or don't bother to post. It's that simple.

    The article wasn't asking lay people to diagnose psychopaths/sociopaths, but recognizing when some people have cautionary symptoms or behaviors, or red flags. Most of us have worked with, or for, people with enormous egos, are on a "power trip", or would do anything to get ahead. Some employers give personality tests (Briggs-Myers a common one) to screen out anti-social or behavioral problems for management positions. The military screens and declines enlistment for "sociopathic or psychopathic" symptoms. They aren't the type of people who can reliably be a manager, leader, or big decision-maker.

    He's suggesting it might be time for that "screening" to be applied in all sorts of areas that impact society-at-large. Then maybe we wouldn't have oil CEOs complaining about needing a vacation after the largest oil spill in the Gulf, or captains of cruise ships that leave passengers to drown while he boards a lifeboat, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Then I'll phrase it another way: please stop with your accusations of hating jews, success, and other inflammatory labels directed at me when none of it's relevant.
    Oh, my. Is "relevant" another one of those words you need to be provided a proper definition for?

    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    No, if you find it "drivel", then either explain why or don't bother to post. It's that simple.
    Alright, good luck with that. Let me know how it works out for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    The article wasn't asking lay people to diagnose psychopaths/sociopaths, but recognizing when some people have cautionary symptoms or behaviors, or red flags. Most of us have worked with, or for, people with enormous egos, are on a "power trip", or would do anything to get ahead. Some employers give personality tests (Briggs-Myers a common one) to screen out anti-social or behavioral problems for management positions. The military screens and declines enlistment for "sociopathic or psychopathic" symptoms. They aren't the type of people who can reliably be a manager, leader, or big decision-maker.

    He's suggesting it might be time for that "screening" to be applied in all sorts of areas that impact society-at-large. Then maybe we wouldn't have oil CEOs complaining about needing a vacation after the largest oil spill in the Gulf, or captains of cruise ships that leave passengers to drown while he boards a lifeboat, for example.
    So, regarding the above... seriously, do you understand any of the words you're using there? Because the density of factual inaccuracies and nearly unbelievable comprehension errors is hurting my brain. That and the way you're now trying to cram everything and the kitchen sink into the j00 category... not that I suppose either is exactly new or notable, considering the source.
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    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    He's suggesting it might be time for that "screening" to be applied in all sorts of areas that impact society-at-large. Then maybe we wouldn't have oil CEOs complaining about needing a vacation after the largest oil spill in the Gulf, or captains of cruise ships that leave passengers to drown while he boards a lifeboat, for example.
    And how many companies would really want to do anything of the sort? How many of these businesses would think of ethical officers as assets rather than as weaknesses?
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    Are you two calling for employment discrimination based on mental illness?
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