Gay, Bi, Straight

**GGT** · 02-23-2010, 07:13 AM

Bold doesn't look so great in the Blue format.

Anyway....

But bisexuality isn’t a gender preference for both genders; it’s a lack of gender preference for either. For most bisexuals, the gender of the person they find attractive is substantially less important than who that person is. We’re not in the middle of the Kinsey scale; we’re off the chart altogether.

This goes back to the OLD theory that every human is "pan-gender". That we're more passionate about people's personalities and compatibility than their sex organs, but social norms and expectations get in the way.

It also sounds a bit like psycho babble tho, from someone who laments grouping people into categories, but wants a new one.

**Being** · 02-23-2010, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by Dattu

It seems that some people here could benefit by reading a bit more about bisexuality.

Should your sexual "orientation" be the most important factor of your life? It can be, if you choose it to be.

**GGT** · 02-23-2010, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Being

Should your sexual "orientation" be the most important factor of your life? It can be, if you choose it to be.

Sounds Buddhist.

Our societies are very sex-oriented. Pretty hard to escape that. Even things like the Olympics, where pair skating is always a man and woman. Marketing is the obvious area, but even song lyrics reflect "the norm", and that norm means most people are heterosexual.

Trickier still when we look at how laws are structured. From adoption to marriage to spousal entitlements to tax credits. It matters, and those outside "the norm" don't have the choices you suggest.

**Being** · 02-23-2010, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by GGT

Sounds Buddhist.

Our societies are very sex-oriented. Pretty hard to escape that. Even things like the Olympics, where pair skating is always a man and woman. Marketing is the obvious area, but even song lyrics reflect "the norm", and that norm means most people are heterosexual.

Trickier still when we look at how laws are structured. From adoption to marriage to spousal entitlements to tax credits. It matters, and those outside "the norm" don't have the choices you suggest.

Outside the "norm" doesn't create life so let's not fuss with the adoption thing.

**GGT** · 02-23-2010, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Being

Outside the "norm" doesn't create life so let's not fuss with the adoption thing.

You're kidding, right?

**oldmunchkin** · 02-23-2010, 08:07 AM

Ok. for the sake of saying I did, I voted!

I know some women who were abused by men never could get over that, and only felt safe with other women.

I was at that point at one stage of my life. Luckily, because of great male friends, I was able to get over my fear of men in general. I will say I now have a knack for spotting an abuser at 3 paces!

**Being** · 02-23-2010, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by GGT

You're kidding, right?

Two gay men and a little boy. Two gay women and a little girl. Will the little boy ever want to make babies with the little girl or vice-versa?

**oldmunchkin** · 02-23-2010, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Being

Two gay men and a little boy. Two gay women and a little girl. Will the little boy ever want to make babies with the little girl or vice-versa?

Why wouldn't he, if his "sexual wiring" is geared toward women?

This thread made me start thinking about me, and my orientation. Hell yeah, I love men

but I have also enjoyed a woman or 3 in my time on earth too. Does that make me bi, or just curious?

**littlelolligagged** · 02-23-2010, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Being

Two gay men and a little boy. Two gay women and a little girl. Will the little boy ever want to make babies with the little girl or vice-versa?

What the hell?

**Lor** · 02-23-2010, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by littlelolligagged

What the hell?

*shrugs* i got confused.

Oh and i voted straight of course.

**EyeKhan** · 02-23-2010, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Being

Two gay men and a little boy. Two gay women and a little girl. Will the little boy ever want to make babies with the little girl or vice-versa?

yes, of course. sexual attraction is innate, not learned.

**Dattu** · 02-23-2010, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Being

Two gay men and a little boy. Two gay women and a little girl. Will the little boy ever want to make babies with the little girl or vice-versa?

Because straight couples raise straight children, right?

**Ominous Gamer** · 02-23-2010, 03:47 PM

Straight, but I think that was pretty obvious from the dating history I've posted about.

**Illusions** · 02-23-2010, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by littlelolligagged

What the hell?

It gets worse. Not only do I see the implication that someone doesn't understand sexual orientation, or apparently how to compose a sentence expressing said viewpoint, but also the implication that people generally only have sex to have children...

**Being** · 02-23-2010, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by EyeKhan

yes, of course. sexual attraction is innate, not learned.

Are you convinced that hatred and bigotry are never learned? And that hatred and bigotry can never affect sexual attraction? Are you absolutely sure that sexual orientation is never a choice?

**ImAnOgre** · 02-23-2010, 05:02 PM

Why does it matter if someone CHOOSES to be gay, or they are BORN gay? I've never understood this question.... people are gay, and if it bothers you why, get over it already.

**Being** · 02-23-2010, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by ImAnOgre

Why does it matter if someone CHOOSES to be gay, or they are BORN gay? I've never understood this question.... people are gay, and if it bothers you why, get over it already.

I don't think it bothers anyone here. We are currently discussing GGT's assertion that gays deserve some sympathy because they have a hard time adopting children.

**littlelolligagged** · 02-23-2010, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by ImAnOgre

Why does it matter if someone CHOOSES to be gay, or they are BORN gay? I've never understood this question.... people are gay, and if it bothers you why, get over it already.

Did you CHOOSE to be straight, or were you born that way?

**EyeKhan** · 02-23-2010, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Being

Are you convinced that hatred and bigotry are never learned? And that hatred and bigotry can never affect sexual attraction? Are you absolutely sure that sexual orientation is never a choice?

1. I think hatred and bigotry is always learned.

2. I'm not sure about affecting sexual attraction - maybe between ethnic groups but probably not between genders. Maybe in cases of extreme abuse....

3. I'm absolutely sure sexual orientation is not a choice.

Originally Posted by ImAnOgre

Why does it matter if someone CHOOSES to be gay, or they are BORN gay? I've never understood this question.... people are gay, and if it bothers you why, get over it already.

If you choose to be gay, then you are a sinner going to hell. If you are born gay, then either god doesn't hate homosexuality or god is cruel to the extreme. The faithful prefer the former, progressives the latter.

**Being** · 02-23-2010, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by EyeKhan

1. I think hatred and bigotry is always learned.

2. I'm not sure about affecting sexual attraction - maybe between ethnic groups but probably not between genders. Maybe in cases of extreme abuse....

3. I'm absolutely sure sexual orientation is not a choice.

Answers 2 and 3 are conflicting.

**EyeKhan** · 02-23-2010, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Being

Answers 2 and 3 are conflicting.

So you are saying then that homosexual parents necessarily abuse their children to the point that they hate the opposite sex to the point that they then 'choose' to be gay?

**Being** · 02-23-2010, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by EyeKhan

So you are saying then that homosexual parents necessarily abuse their children to the point that they hate the opposite sex to the point that they then 'choose' to be gay?

Are you implying that homosexuality is based soley on genetics?

My point is that homosexual couples do not deserve sympathy because it is more difficult for them to adopt children than it is for a heterosexual couple. Single people have similar hurtles to adopting and I feel no sympathy for them either.

**ImAnOgre** · 02-23-2010, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by littlelolligagged

Did you CHOOSE to be straight, or were you born that way?

Again, why does it matter? I'm straight... get over it.

Originally Posted by EyeKhan

If you choose to be gay, then you are a sinner going to hell. If you are born gay, then either god doesn't hate homosexuality or god is cruel to the extreme. The faithful prefer the former, progressives the latter.

So, because someone is gay, they don't go to heaven? That's new to me. Didn't we have this argument in CC? Sure, in leviticus it talks about it vaguely.... but we could go into psalms about some really fucked up ideas there to.

**littlelolligagged** · 02-23-2010, 08:08 PM

The question was did you choose to be straight, I have nothing to "get over."

**EyeKhan** · 02-23-2010, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by ImAnOgre

So, because someone is gay, they don't go to heaven? That's new to me. Didn't we have this argument in CC? Sure, in leviticus it talks about it vaguely.... but we could go into psalms about some really fucked up ideas there to.

Well, of course there's the "Hate the sin, not the sinner" thing. But you know, god sees into your head, and every time you lust after another man, even though you don't act on it, you're still sinning. Coveting man. It's thinking, not acting.

Anyway, the logic --

**Being** · 02-23-2010, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by EyeKhan

Well, of course there's the "Hate the sin, not the sinner" thing. But you know, god sees into your head, and every time you lust after another man, even though you don't act on it, you're still sinning. Coveting man. It's thinking, not acting.

Anyway, the logic --

Choose your god carefully for he art the thought police.

**Hazir** · 02-23-2010, 09:52 PM

Should I give a damn as to whether being gay has a cause ? Because I don't really, and I feel even less of an inclination to explain myself.

**LittleFuzzy** · 02-23-2010, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by EyeKhan

yes, of course. sexual attraction is innate, not learned.

That's. . . not necessarily true. Or at least not the whole truth.

**ImAnOgre** · 02-23-2010, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by littlelolligagged

The question was did you choose to be straight, I have nothing to "get over."

And my answer to you is it doesn't matter. And if you have a problem with my answer, then get over it, Most lovely Lolli.

**littlelolligagged** · 02-23-2010, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by ImAnOgre

And my answer to you is it doesn't matter. And if you have a problem with my answer, then get over it, Most lovely Lolli.

Your answer avoids actually answering the question, though.

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