Yes. I suspect one could make a good case at my suicide attempt being a case of the faggot, as well. It all paints a neat little portrait, and little Dorian isn't half as pretty as he'd thought...Originally Posted by CitizenCain
What, are you saying it doesn't?
I mean, for example, look at these dead faggots! Since no straight kid ever killed himself for being bullied, it must be the faggotry part, right?
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
It wouldn't fix everything. People will still make bad choice.s However by never assigning blame for bad behavior you make the problem worse.Sure, makes perfect sense. Blame suicidal teens for being depressed, and that'll fix everything.
I know this thread is about the gay suicides but its a larger picture.
Kids are getting fatter. Blame the kids for lack of self control? Blame the parents for letting their kids eat anything they want? Nope on both counts. Society says... blame our food. Blame our culture! Blame big evil corporations. But oh no... don't blame the kids and their parents. We can't do that.
Ditto with addiction. "Lets treat it like a disease." No lets treat it for what it is. A choice. A bad choice. And place the blame fully and solely upon the drug user. Nah... won't happen in this culture.
Oh look this guy lose his home. Blame it on the bank. Blame it on the economy. Blame it on EVERYONE but the person who signed the mortgage and agreed to pay for the house. That's the culture. Always blame the faceless entity never blame the individual.
It isn't healthy. Its actually really sad because when people look at their lives and say "This is bad and it isn't my fault." This means they will *continue* to keep doing the same self destructive behaviors. Sure its still their own fault but we as a society enable them by handing out this ready excuse.
Your fat because you lack the will power to diet and exercise.
You lost your house because you purchased too much house and got into credit card debt.
You killed yourself because your selfish. (Granted this is a bit after the fact but it provides a lesson).
And *yes* of course there are *some* situations beyond a person's control. You get hit by a bus and can't pay for your mortgage because you can't work. Sure it can happen. But the first instinct should never be to place no blame on the individual. Because if you place no responsibility on the individual they will NEVER change. They have to first realize their mistake before they can move on.
...however if you always looks to place blame on an individual, and always look for ways to justify this blame, then you will never see, let alone even begin to comprehend or understand any external factors that contributed to whatever their perceived failing was. This is constant with you.
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The larger picture being that you're looking for any excuse to hate you some faggots ("assigning blame for bad behavior"), when you have nothing but excuses and justifications and denials for the same behavior from people you like (cops, soldiers).
Where's all the hatred and "blame" for the soldiers who "selfishly" commit suicide, and at much higher rates than gay teens, hmmm? Or do we get to look forward to another chickenhawkish rebuke of me for pointing out a truth you don't like?
And speaking of truths you don't like, there are a lot of gay guys in the Army... want me to provide you a few names of highly decorated war heroes that like to fuck other men for you to hate on?
Oh, horseshit. These behaviors have been with us since the dawn of time, and will continue as long as humans exist. You getting to blame a bunch of dead faggots for killing themselves sure as the fuck won't change that, and will only serve to make things a little worse... which is fine, because you don't really care about stopping the behaviors, you just like standing in judgement over your fellow man and condemning them for the things they do that you don't like.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
I've gone out of my way to state that there are instances where factors exist outside of the person's control.
The problem is you've been conditioned never to place blame on the individual. Its always "society" "culture" or "big business." If a person makes great choices will they be more or less likely to be successful? Obvious answer... yes. And yet you and others in the poor threads refuse to make the logical conclusion that people who are unsuccessful at life are that way due to their own choices.
How many kids committed suicide there Lewk? And I remember, even if you didn't, that not all of them were gay. There was/is something besides individuals making very poor life-ending decisions going on.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
you're using these words....you don't know what they mean
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
I like how what you consider to be out of your way is just regular logical and rational thinking to everyone else.
As we've stated numerous times before, those factors outside of a person's control contribute to what choices they can make, or have to make. In the instance referred to originally in this thread, these kids may not have to had to make a choice between continuing to live with bullying, or killing themselves, had there not been bullying in the first place.The problem is you've been conditioned never to place blame on the individual. Its always "society" "culture" or "big business." If a person makes great choices will they be more or less likely to be successful? Obvious answer... yes. And yet you and others in the poor threads refuse to make the logical conclusion that people who are unsuccessful at life are that way due to their own choices.
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You've gone out of your way to make control freaks sound like saints. And you're trying to do that by de-legitimizing mental/behavioral health, conflating almost all outcomes with choices, and confusing blame with responsibility.
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
"The force said officers had spoken to him over concerns raised about his Twitter posts and had been reassured by him that he was OK."
British mental health services at their best.
Hope is the denial of reality
Not sure what you're getting at. I'm talking in generalities here not just suicide and not just gays.
Weird, because what everyone else has been talking about when they're replying to you is the topic created by the original post.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
Yes and this is why I said this...
"I know this thread is about the gay suicides but its a larger picture."
I mean come on what does suicide have to do with more kids getting fat?
My larger belief is that people should be held responsible for their choices. These kids chose to kill themselves so pinning the blame on other people dilutes the choice they made and I don't fight that acceptable. The fact that they are gay or straight or whatever doesn't change my opinion that its their fault. If a straight kid killed themselves my opinion would be exactly the same. It was their fault, no one elses.
Again with the fault=blame=responsibility bullshit. You talk about suicide as if it's the equivalent of kid swiping a pack of gum, or something.
What's your larger belief regarding behavioral science and mental health? Does it mean anything (to you, Lewk) that neuro-science can map genome types, and compare brain activity using sophisticated radiological methods?
I just had a moment of *shudder*. Lewk manning a suicide prevention phone bank.
The fact that Lewk seems to manage a life of relative success and social popularity just by being himself is a most troubling thought in general. Or on a species-wide level, anyhows.
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
He was referring to this:
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Moar evil, selfish faggits.
Come Lewk, tell us about how evil those people were for killing themselves.
(For the second year in a row, more American soldiers—both enlisted men and women and veterans—committed suicide than were killed in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.)
He does? Guess anyone can be anything, depending on how far you lower the bar. Not that he's a failure or a loser or whatever, but at least my metrics for success set the bar a little higher than "married, middle class, college graduate in Texas."
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
If they killed themselves they are selfish. Any large group of people will have some bad apples. Can you name a large organization that has had ZERO people kill themselves? Your pathetic attempts to bring the military into this discussion is sad. Most of our military is great just because there are some bad apples doesn't change that fact. Major Hasan was a terrorist, does that make all of the American military terrorists? No of course not.
Oooh yes the "Of course practicing a life style that is unhealthy *might* also..." was the major point of my posts on this thread....
Military/veteran suicide rates are higher than any other demographic average. They're not just "any" large group of people with some bad apples. But they're an integral part of this discussion. If you give a shit about US military, then consider veterans, too.
For the umpteenth time its not like they fucking chose to kill themselves out of the blue. They weren't considering the choice to kill themselves until they were continuously bullied. This bizarro world you wish to live in where no one looks at any outside reasoning for someone making a choice is beyond stupid. Do you have your head buried so far in the sand of your own talking points that you are completely and utterly unable to ever even think of considering the possibility that outside forces can have an influence in what choices a person can make, or finds palatable to make?
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Just walk it off, son
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
In Lewkowskia I would've randomly walked something off as an isolated and insulated choice, because Lewk's ignorance would not have any influence on a possible decision to do physical activity.
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/10/us/min...html?hpt=hp_t2
Another great example of school officials acting like petty tyrants.
Hope is the denial of reality
Insane.
I like that talking to another student about sex on one's own private time is now an offense punishable by one's school.
Hope is the denial of reality
Or any talking, for that matter.
The 'demanding facebook passwords' thing is apprantly becoming quite the trend
http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...book-passwords
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
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