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  1. #331
    That doesn't get you 50% of the vote.
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  2. #332
    How about a children's toy?
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  3. #333
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-...cash--20120323

    Looks like Paul might not be so high-minded after all.
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  4. #334
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-...cash--20120323

    Looks like Paul might not be so high-minded after all.
    Er, yeah. You've got your smoking gun, right there.

  5. #335
    No, his campaign manager was lying.
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  6. #336
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    No, his campaign manager was lying.
    This is it, folks. This is the dirt on Ron Paul.

  7. #337
    Is he the god idol to replace Obama? All criticism out of bounds, even when not meant to criticize?
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  8. #338
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Is he the god idol to replace Obama? All criticism out of bounds, even when not meant to criticize?
    No, but I don't see how looking into a VP nod somehow would negate a candidates principles. Maybe you can connect those dots for me.

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    It was in reference to Cain's earlier remark that Paul is too principled to run as VP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Seems he has his own fanbase which is separate and distinct from regular Republicans.
    Sure does. But that doesn't help much in bumfuck Texas, where his congressional district is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    It was in reference to Cain's earlier remark that Paul is too principled to run as VP.
    So, in addition to to the rest (a campaign manager saying someone could "potentially" be "looking" for something is about as non-committal a statement as you can make), what is it you think Ron Paul's goals and principles are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Seems he has his own fanbase which is separate and distinct from regular Republicans.
    Not on issues but in case of the way his fan base works he's like UKIP or BOO (Better Off Out) Tories at home. A bunch of hardcore fanatics spread out across the country (and making a ton of noise on the Internet). But in reality never that many in an individual place and despite a number of false dawns no real chance of getting a plurality of the votes to get elected.

    Excluding the crazy loser-takes-most PR system we use in Europe elections obviously. Or that's equivalent to winning a few delegates as they're not winner takes all anymore, but still no chance of getting a majority.

    Read the comments on Loki's link LOL. Either Paul's going to win on delegates or he's cheated out of it. Read the comments on British political sides and you'd think everyone was UKIP/BOO.
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  12. #342
    It's interesting that Lewk's "public transit is socialism" analysis has gained such traction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    Rubio isn't white, so he's out. Christie probably won't appeal to the fundies though I admit I'm not that well acquainted with him, and his...Volatile style probably won't be that attractive to swing voters who're not of the "burn the whole thing down" mentality. And, again, Mittens really is way too white-bread for the Teaper crowd, he needs to bring the insanity with him if he wants the core to show up come election day.
    Rubio has been rumored to be a likely candidate for months now. Many Hispanic groups are a natural base for Republicans in lots of ways, were it not for their unfortunate inability to take the right stand on expanding immigration (EG the Hispanic quadrant of my family would fits demo/political profile very well).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    Many Hispanic groups are a natural base for Republicans in lots of ways, were it not for their unfortunate inability to take the right stand on expanding immigration (EG the Hispanic quadrant of my family would fits demo/political profile very well).
    Except that the Democrats aren't any better in their stance on immigration when it comes right down to it (can't have a bunch of wetbacks mooching off their cherished social programs), so it's kind of a given that immigrants are gonna get screwed, so the Republican platform really is better aligned with the interests of immigrants than the Democratic one, hence the strong Latino base.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Except that the Democrats aren't any better in their stance on immigration when it comes right down to it (can't have a bunch of wetbacks mooching off their cherished social programs), so it's kind of a given that immigrants are gonna get screwed, so the Republican platform really is better aligned with the interests of immigrants than the Democratic one, hence the strong Latino base.
    How do you figure that? Democrats, as a group, are more supportive of the Dream Act. They're also more likely to support things like public education and healthcare for everyone, regardless of proven citizenship, or ability to pay in private markets. Those are the things that attract immigration to the USA in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    How do you figure that? Democrats, as a group, are more supportive of the Dream Act. They're also more likely to support things like public education and healthcare for everyone, regardless of proven citizenship, or ability to pay in private markets. Those are the things that attract immigration to the USA in the first place.
    Yeah because that's what America should want to do... attract moochers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    How do you figure that?
    With my twin super-human abilities of cognition and ability to observe events.

    What actual steps or results have Democrats taken to make immigration (or the life of immigrants already in this country) easier in the last 20 years or so? Contrast with the consequences of their policies that have made immigration a great deal more difficult, and you end up with the knowledge that if anything, the Democrats have made immigration and being an immigrant more difficult and more miserable.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    Except that the Democrats aren't any better in their stance on immigration when it comes right down to it (can't have a bunch of wetbacks mooching off their cherished social programs), so it's kind of a given that immigrants are gonna get screwed, so the Republican platform really is better aligned with the interests of immigrants than the Democratic one, hence the strong Latino base.
    The Republicans don't articulate their position well —*they seem to be unable to credibly say they want to defend the border and encourage immigration with sane immigration policies. They tend to focus on the border patrols and less on how important immigrants are to our society. Not to mention getting into fights over "official languages".

    Then again, many Democrats aren't able to credibly say they want to protect the border. And their hope is the newcomers get hooked on big-state social programs and see government as a tool of advancement, much like the left-wing sees government service/programs as tools for African-American advancement (instead of the private sector).

  18. #348
    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenCain View Post
    With my twin super-human abilities of cognition and ability to observe events.

    What actual steps or results have Democrats taken to make immigration (or the life of immigrants already in this country) easier in the last 20 years or so? Contrast with the consequences of their policies that have made immigration a great deal more difficult, and you end up with the knowledge that if anything, the Democrats have made immigration and being an immigrant more difficult and more miserable.
    It simply doesn't matter what the Democrats do or don't do as long as the GOP remains its own worst enemy in dealing with minorities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    It simply doesn't matter what the Democrats do or don't do as long as the GOP remains its own worst enemy in dealing with minorities.
    No argument there, but the point that Democrats don't do anything either (and are probably worse, long-run) shouldn't be ignored, nor should it be overlooked as the cause of why Latinos offer substantial electoral support to the minority-bashing GOP.
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    -- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.

  20. #350
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0406234458.htm

    I think this is relevant to Santorum.
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  21. #351
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0406234458.htm

    I think this is relevant to Santorum.
    pfft, it's probably relevant to a majority of US men in powerful positions. Older men have great difficulty accepting anything remotely homo-erotic, and "try too hard to prove" their heterosexual orientation. Sometimes by trying to enact laws like DADT or DOMA. Or it's "thinly veiled" in religious doctrine, and perpetuated by the Vatican, even though the Roman Catholic Church has been exposed as a cesspool of pedophilia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    pfft, it's probably relevant to a majority of US men in powerful positions. Older men have great difficulty accepting anything remotely homo-erotic, and "try too hard to prove" their heterosexual orientation. Sometimes by trying to enact laws like DADT or DOMA. Or it's "thinly veiled" in religious doctrine, and perpetuated by the Vatican, even though the Roman Catholic Church has been exposed as a cesspool of pedophilia.

    I don't think a majority of powerful US older men are self-loathing homosexuals . I think they're just dinosaurs.
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  23. #353
    But according to latest research, dinosaurs were fabulous, dahhling. Dunno about the self-loathing, though
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    But according to latest research, dinosaurs were fabulous, dahhling. Dunno about the self-loathing, though
    The T-Rex was full of self-loathing...kingly name, those little gay hands...
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  25. #355
    To paraphrase Chris Keller, you don't need hands to be gay, just a mouth to suck with...
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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    Bah...that's SO one dimensional.
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  27. #357
    Santorum is finally out.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  28. #358
    Must have been the gay study that drove him out.
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  30. #360
    This is the day the magic died
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

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