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    Default Kids in a School Encouraged to "Bend the Truth" ...

    ... or lie, in other words ...

    Quote Originally Posted by BBC
    Perse School pupils let off punishment for clever excuses

    Witty pupils at a Cambridge school are being let off for minor offences if they can conjure up quick and clever excuses for what they have done.

    Ed Elliott, head of the independent Perse School, told his pupils they could escape punishment if they could explain themselves in 10 seconds.

    He said "out-and-out falseness" would not be allowed but "white lies" may be.

    Mr Elliott said: "It's a great lesson in life to talk your way out of a tight corner in a very short period of time".

    Mr Elliott, whose independent school caters for pupils aged three to 18, said he wanted to help create a "quick-thinking, communication-savy generation" and stated many pupils had risen to the challenge.

    He believes such skills could help create the next generation of British entrepreneurs and "wealth creators".

    "There are lots and lots of children out there who have got wonderful academic skills, but some of those academic skills can be under-utilised if they don't know how to communicate the message effectively," said Mr Elliott.

    "Getting children to talk their way out of minor misdemeanours is a wonderful way of encouraging such creativity and fostering good communication skills."

    Sam Leith, an author and expert on rhetoric, said rather than teaching children how to lie, Mr Elliott was training pupils to "bend the truth".

    "I think it is a brilliant idea that you get the pupils to learn to be pragmatically witty and quick on their feet," he said.

    "You can see this being a really important lifeskill and actually politicians, some of them, are the absolute straight arrow, but often the ones who get further are the artful dodgers."

    The Department for Education said as the school was independent it could not comment.
    Though I quite like this example of thinking outside the box, and I agree that learning to be quick-witted is no bad thing, this is entirely the wrong way to go about it.

    Training kids to bend the truth in this way teaches them that it's okay not to take responsibility for their actions, just by being able to come up with an excuse quickly. A good lesson for life? Not bloody likely.


    EDIT: In fact the more I think about this the more I think this Head Teacher is an idiot who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near school policy.
    Last edited by Timbuk2; 11-20-2012 at 02:18 PM.

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    Perse is Finnish for arse

    Just throwing that out there
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    There should be an extra penalty for failing.
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    It depends where they draw the line between "out-and-out" falseness and "bending the truth".
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    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    $10 says he got the idea from watching "300", looking up Spartans on Google and reading that Spartans encouraged their children to lie/be cunning.

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    £10 says he got the idea from the notion that all publicity is good publicity.
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    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    A good lesson for life? Not bloody likely.
    Really? When did this happen?
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    Sounds like a Monty Python skit.

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    Well now Fox knows that they have a whole school full of anchors in training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbuk2 View Post
    ... or lie, in other words ...



    Though I quite like this example of thinking outside the box, and I agree that learning to be quick-witted is no bad thing, this is entirely the wrong way to go about it.

    Training kids to bend the truth in this way teaches them that it's okay not to take responsibility for their actions, just by being able to come up with an excuse quickly. A good lesson for life? Not bloody likely.


    EDIT: In fact the more I think about this the more I think this Head Teacher is an idiot who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near school policy.
    On the surface I think you're right. But I think we're both agreed that it probably would be an aid to quick thinking and I'm having trouble coming up with a behavior-reward scheme that would be as motivating.
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    Wouldn't the best liars not be perceived as lying? Thus don't the best liars already get away with certain transgressions already? This just seems like they're lowering the bar for getting away with lying...
    . . .

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    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Its wrong but ...
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Well, I guess we can hope this was the only bad idea the teacher had.
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    This teacher obviously has a very bad view of his pupils to treat them such.
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