Your specialty.. in high school?
Your specialty.. in high school?
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By definition they are moochers of anything that gets federal funds since they provide 0 contribution to the federal budget. And for a couple of years I too was a moocher. Glad that I'm no longer part of that 47%.Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust
High schools have base classes you must take, but then the student gets to choose elective classes that suit their preference. A rigid federal system might limit those choices even further.
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No they're not.
I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
Which is what I am
I aim at the stars
But sometimes I hit London
We have that over here too. I don't see how a federal system would limit this (lack of nearby schools seems a bigger problem, every school can only offer so much and outside cities there are only so many schools). And if the base classes are already shit, how is a specialty supposed to be any good?
Besides, according to Lewk it doesn't matter because nobody remembers what they learn in high school anyway
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When did this imaginary oppressive federal system come into the picture? I thought we were comparing current examples of current local education gone wrong vs current federal guidance?
when did the fairy tales and nightmares begin?
edit:
seems it was dread. not surprised.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
You forgot to answer an important question:
Okay i just have to ask: do you have any idea how stupid that sounds coming from someone who regularly stereotypes pretty much everyone
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
I was just about to ask why we're contrasting with "rigid federal systems" as opposed to a reasonably flexible federal system, and why we're talking about "a rigid national education system with no variety" as opposed a reasonably flexible national educational system that attempts to guarantee a minimum reasonable standard but features a great deal of variety beyond that. I must be mismisreading Loki's posts or something.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
I don't know how much you have interacted with the US federal government, but flexible and reasonable are not the first things that come to mind.
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Have you ever dealt with a school board or gone to a community meeting?
Hope is the denial of reality
Hope is the denial of reality
Santorum/Bachmann 2016
Search your feelings
You know it to be true!
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
Wasn't your prediction for 2012 Palin/Bachmann?
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Even in Obama's America, people can dream
I mostly wanted to post the Star Wars quote
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
But it's also possible that your flexometer is differently calibrated, or that your govt may learn from other countries.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
The fact that there are still schools teaching ID, even though the courts have ruled against it, should show you how flexible our system already is.
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"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
You may have stumbled upon the problem.
And yes Loki, have you?
And so what if you have?
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Can you honestly tell me that the average school board member is nearly as informed as a top-level bureaucrat?
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I'd say Texans being football fanatics is an accurate stereotype. Y'all don't mind using tax dollars to build $20 million football stadiums....for High Schools. Is that what you mean by "conservative"?
The poorest states are all southern, have "poor" or below average K-12 academic performance, and are 'conservative' Republican voting districts.Seems like a healthy amount of diversity, which obscured even more diversity at the regional level.
Dr. SpinGood, McDSeems like a healthy amount of diversity, which obscured even more diversity at the regional level.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Can you honestly tell me that a top level bureaucrat cares about a community that he has never heard of as much as said average school board?
Didn't you say earlier that these 'professionals' can be incompetent?
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That may even be one of the advantages of having a reasonable amount of involvement of "top level bureaucrats" rather than excessive power in the hands of the average school board member
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Keep telling yourself that.
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What ever happened to judging people based on results and not on intentions?
Incompetent means that they don't fulfill a reasonable set of requirements. Batshit crazy means making no attempt to fulfill those requirements and doing idiotic stuff instead.
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So all school meetings you have attended have been run by insane people?
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Right, and since the ONLY undisputed role of our federal government is National Defense....and the Military requires at minimum a HS diploma, certificate, or GED for enlistment/enrollment....how do you propose we do that without some National Educational standards?
You do realise this is a thread originally about the factual content of science classes, right?
You do realise that "caring about" a community may in some or many cases amount to having a strong bias against eg. science and for eg. conservative Christian values or some other bizarre conception of "virtue", right?
Now I realise you have seen the world and experienced first-hand the callous cruelty of the state, the transgressions of bureaucrats against common folk, the inevitability of oppression etc etc but can't you be just a little open to the idea that there may be a few colours missing from your palette?
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Again, I did not say I was against standards. But I do caution that mission creep is the most holiest of holys with Loki's vaunted incompetent but damn good anyway twats in DC.
@ Aimless, and you good sir have never heard if thread drift or be a little open to the fact you come off as a holier than thou prig.
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The US Dept. of Education sets minimum standards. Repeat, minimum. All the US states have plenty of leeway and wiggle room to exceed the minimum. That's not federal mission creep. So WTF are you talking about?
I'm sure a lot of the people in school boards are well-intentioned and have the interests of the kids as their first priority. Unfortunately, most school boards aren't filled by the brightest or most educated of people, and end up trying to ban books or teach ID because that's what they believe will help the kids.
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