Legality of Suicide
We've discussed it before, but it's been a long enough time that I can't remember the details of where people stand on this. Full disclosure: this isn't exactly the topic I wanted to discuss, but it'd be useful to understand this before moving on.
Should suicide be legal?
Yeah
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The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
Yes.
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Any particular reason it shouldn't be?
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
Location? e.g. train tracks?Originally Posted by Steely Glint
If there are methods of suicide that endanger others, then they're already illegal actions in their own right and if they're not they should be.
The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun
Agreed. But you were originally meaning in general, not with specifics, weren't you.
Anecdotally, my friend ran into a lady who committed suicide (overdose) in the middle of a state park. Certainly messed up his morning, considering he was an EMT and had to try and get her out of the woods to give her medical attention.
Yes. Assisted suicide should also be legal. I'll go the next step and say physician assisted suicide should be legal, too.
So what's the "real" topic you wanted to discuss?
I think someone should need to go through some sort of personal therapy if possible, to make sure they fully understand what they are doing. Else we would have no more teenage goths.
After that, I've got no problems with it, I'd even support the construction of their last ride
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Probably too early in the thread to use dark humor, dontyathink?
No?
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
I don't consider it humor. That coaster was designed specifically to kill people.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
But was it for whimsy or practice?
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
That coaster "ride" also exemplifies many peoples' real life crises. ie, a spike in turmoil, followed by downward-trending spirals and loops. You can't say you'd like suicidal people getting therapy -- insert joke about goth teens -- and then post a graphic roller coaster "designed specifically to kill people".
mostly whimsy i believe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_Coaster
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
And this is...bad?
What law is going to effectively stop people from throwing* themselves in front of trains? Its not like you can jail or fine mush, or a vegetable.
*Or walking, jumping, waiting, etc.
. . .
Really? Why not?
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Maybe, after careful review. Only trained professionals may directly assist.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Assuming you're answering Wraithy's original question, what sort of legal ramifications do you suggest to those who attempt to take their own lives without outside review and assistance, and fail?
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
Free healthcare while waiting for a quick formal review of their informal application?
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
If they reject the care?
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
If they're of sound mind and/or likely to soon die after a time of excruciating agony then I may have to respect their decision and help them transition into palliative care
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
I think the law criminalising suicide is designed for two purposes.
1: To put people off from doing it.
2: So that after someone does it (but fails) the justice system has a legal basis to require someone to seek professional help.
I don't think its intended to prosecute corpses. I support an organised system of physician assisted suicide - preferably with two prior independent physicians/psychiatrists at least one week apart seeing the patient first - rather than our current ad hoc "we'll increase the morphein" version. Not convinced on legalising general suicide.
Maybe. But assisting shouldn't.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
I think people are assuming you're talking about suicide, but I suspect you're talking about legal assisted suicide. Is this something you're dealing with?
Suicide should not be a crime ever, assisted suicide should be a crime, unless there are considerations for it not to be considered a crime.
Congratulations America
It'd help if we were all using the same definitions of "suicide", and what is meant by "assisted".
I was talking about suicide, but that's also because I didn't expect people to be okay with that being legal but against assisted suicide. What's the thought behind that? Why should it be legal to hang yourself in your home, or poke yourself with a knife until you hit a large enough artery, but it should become illegal for a physician to help you do it quickly, cleanly, and painlessly?
Well as I said I'm the opposite, I support assisted suicide being regulated but am in favour of laws around general suicide for the reasons stated above.
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