bombs in Boston?

[Loki]

After I told a friend here (in Illinois) yesterday that one of the suspects looked Arab and he said that he looked too white for one, I said he must be a Chechen. Who knew. Not the first time some individual Chechens tried to carry out terrorist acts against the West.

Were they Muslims (cause their parents were) or Muslims (that actually bought into the whole silly concept, like any other religious fundie)?

Islam is not only a religion, but also an identity. In the Caucasus, the most hard-core Muslims aren't necessarily the most devout ones. They're willing to kill for Islam, even if they follow very few of its tenets.

[wiggin]

His supposed YT account: http://www.youtube.com/user/muazseyfullah

[Loki]

I'm not saying it was the wrong move, but did releasing the photos of these people spook them and lead to this shooting?

[wiggin]

I've been thinking about that - maybe. It makes sense that the photos yesterday spooked them, so they realized they needed cash and transportation (why they stayed in Cambridge after the bombing initially is beyond me; maybe they genuinely thought they'd be able to get away with it). Hence, knock over a 7-11 and grab a car (after shooting an overly nosy cop doing his job). I'm not sure what their plan was, though - this city has been CRAWLING with heavily armed law enforcement all week, so I don't know why they thought they'd be able to get away after a robbery and carjacking (not to mention murder).

I assume the FBI weighed the pros and cons of this, deciding that the benefit of more information from the public would outweigh the costs of spooking the bombers. Whether this was a miscalculation is hard to know.

The streets of my town are eerily quiet:

https://twitter.com/BrooklineMAPD/st...830848/photo/1

https://twitter.com/BrooklineMAPD/st...938816/photo/1

Normally those streets are packed.

[Loki]

Kind of reaffirms the view that their dedication to holy war wasn't equivalent to their ability to execute a coherent plan. In the end, they just got lucky. If the bombs don't go off, they're the laughing stock of the US, just like the Times Square "bomber".

[wiggin]

I do appreciate the uncle's answer to the question 'why did they do this?' as 'because they're LOSERS!'

[wiggin]

Wanna know what Boston will look like after the zombie apocalypse? http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...-and-cambridge

[Ominous Gamer]

not a single overturned traffic cone? pfft, those are some neatfreak zombies.

[wiggin]

Screw this, I have stuff to do. I'm probably going to go out in a couple hours whether or not we're recommended to.

[Hazir]

Wanna know what Boston will look like after the zombie apocalypse? http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...-and-cambridge

After all is said and done this terrorist may have saved lives; Boston without traffic, that must have a positive effect.

[wiggin]

ROFL. Probably true.

[Ominous Gamer]

This all goes to show how unrealistic Grand Theft Auto is. No one can survive a 6 star wanted level this long.

[GGT]

Got cabin fever yet, wiggin?

[wiggin]

I direct you to this post, GGT. Damn straight.

Screw this, I have stuff to do. I'm probably going to go out in a couple hours whether or not we're recommended to.

[GGT]

After I told a friend here (in Illinois) yesterday that one of the suspects looked Arab and he said that he looked too white for one, I said he must be a Chechen. Who knew.

That's not the tune you were singing here yesterday.

Not the first time some individual Chechens tried to carry out terrorist acts against the West.

Islam is not only a religion, but also an identity. In the Caucasus, the most hard-core Muslims aren't necessarily the most devout ones. They're willing to kill for Islam, even if they follow very few of its tenets.

What terrorist attacks have Chechens attempted in the US? Maybe it's not common knowledge when attempts are thwarted, by any group. I'm also curious what inside lead you have on the intentions, or any indoctrinization of these two immigrants. So far, officials are floating a lot of theories, including anti-Russian political motives that may not have anything to do with Islam.

[GGT]

wiggin, they've already announced that people at work don't have to "shelter in place" and can go home. Taxis are running again. If you're at home and want to go out, I suppose you could tell any cop who pulls you over that you're on your way home from work? But what would be the point if most everything is still closed?

[RandBlade]

That's not the tune you were singing here yesterday.

What terrorist attacks have Chechens attempted in the US? Maybe it's not common knowledge when attempts are thwarted, by any group. I'm also curious what inside lead you have on the intentions, or any indoctrinization of these two immigrants. So far, officials are floating a lot of theories, including anti-Russian political motives that may not have anything to do with Islam.

Given the bombers own words on the record it seems pretty likely that Islamic radicalism is involved.

[Loki]

What terrorist attacks have Chechens attempted in the US? Maybe it's not common knowledge when attempts are thwarted, by any group. I'm also curious what inside lead you have on the intentions, or any indoctrinization of these two immigrants. So far, officials are floating a lot of theories, including anti-Russian political motives that may not have anything to do with Islam.

Dozens if not hundreds had been killed fighting US forces (or our proxies) in Afghanistan and Yemen. Probably at least as many have been killed in Syria while fighting for jihadist groups.

As for this attack being anti-Russian, that's kat territory of idiocy here.

[wiggin]

wiggin, they've already announced that people at work don't have to "shelter in place" and can go home. Taxis are running again. If you're at home and want to go out, I suppose you could tell any cop who pulls you over that you're on your way home from work? But what would be the point if most everything is still closed?

Well, they called off the search in Watertown and have lifted the stay at home order. It wasn't a curfew or anything anyways - it was just a strong request by the police and FBI, and nearly everyone in Boston complied because (1) safety and (2) we want them to catch this fucker. Regardless, I'm off to have dinner with friends.

[GGT]

Dozens if not hundreds had been killed fighting US forces (or our proxies) in Afghanistan and Yemen. Probably at least as many have been killed in Syria while fighting for jihadist groups.

You said "individual Chechans" had made terrorist attempts against "the west". Using bombs or "terrorist" tactics in war, in foreign nations, is different than your original statement. I simply asked you to clarify about attempts made in the US. Is that so difficult?

As for this attack being anti-Russian, that's kat territory of idiocy here.

Then you've got a bone to pick with the big fish in counter-terrorism, international politics, the FBI, and profilers who posited that theory. Everyone is an idiot unless you agree with them?

[Ominous Gamer]

Got to give it to Boston, they are doing a hell of a lot better than the LAPD did. Haven't heard of any innocent old ladies getting shot up yet.

[Loki]

I thought you were going to say there were no random shootings of black men.

[RandBlade]

Not the first time some individual Chechens tried to carry out terrorist acts against the West.

Islam is not only a religion, but also an identity. In the Caucasus, the most hard-core Muslims aren't necessarily the most devout ones. They're willing to kill for Islam, even if they follow very few of its tenets.

What terrorist attacks have Chechens attempted in the US? Maybe it's not common knowledge when attempts are thwarted, by any group. I'm also curious what inside lead you have on the intentions, or any indoctrinization of these two immigrants. So far, officials are floating a lot of theories, including anti-Russian political motives that may not have anything to do with Islam.

The original claim was "against the West" not "in the US"

[RandBlade]

Reports of gunfire and unconfirmed reports he's dead now.

[Hazir]

Well, suspect #2 is in police custody. Alive, so we may actually get some insight in how he got to become a terrorist.

[Ominous Gamer]

Someone needs to compile has many as these pictures as possible. Going through reddit and there are pictures of the police doing sweeps through homes, snipers taking up positions on top of sheds, it must have been insane.

[Loki]

Massachusetts declaring independence and martial law?

[LittleFuzzy]

Massachusetts declaring independence and martial law?

Can we let the Tea Party lead it? Just for history's sake?

[Loki]

We can only hope. They can draft all the Harvard and MIT grad students as officers in their militia.

[Veldan Rath]

There is a Lawyer/Engineer joke in there somewhere...