Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
Not really as if you'd stop to think about it then we're not always that far apart in analysing the problem and the cure. The current mess is unsustainable, caught between two opposite horses. Either an independent nation doing what it needs to fixing its mess is needed - or an integrated federal nation doing what it needs to fixing its own mess (and accepting DetroitGreece as its own) is needed.

The difference between us is not in being able to identify the problem, its in choice of solution. I don't want a single integrated nation of Europe and don't accept Greece as my mess. You do want an integrated nation of Europe yet for some reason are not willing to accept what that entails as accepting Greeks and the situation as your own fellow countrymen that your taxes must resolve.
I am fully willing to accept what federation entails. I am not willing to accept what federation entails without federation though.

In a new developement; the Detroit dominoes are making life difficult for other local governments (mainly neighbors of Detroit) to get their financing needs met.