He was never going to come close to that regardless.
He was never going to come close to that regardless.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
Because? Don't leave us hanging. Enumerate.
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Because the independents aren't capable of getting that kind of vote-share now? Perot managed it because he actually was independent, hadn't dipped his hand into politics or the primary parties before which generated significant appeal for all those voters who were dissatisfied with the status quo. The only part of that Trump has is that voters are still (and always) dissatisfied with the status quo but unfortunately for Trump, he has lots of contacts and connections on both sides and has explored entering the race at least three or four times in the past. He actually ended up winning a California Reform-Party nomination vote once, and immediately dropped out. I said it earlier in the thread and I'll say it again, Trump doesn't actually want to win a nomination race in the first place.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
I doubt Trump really wants the Presidency. He already has the private planes and I doubt he would enjoy groveling to senators and Members of Congress to get his way.
Congratulations America
Nations that are not Nations. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positio...gration-reform
Amazing.
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
I think he really believes that you could bully everyone into giving you what you want.Originally Posted by Hazir
Hope is the denial of reality
So do a lot of people, who get angry when someone turns around and says no.
From the link above.Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Then wtf is the RNC thinking?I've said it before (and gotten some flak for saying so) but it's impossible to discuss Trump without dissecting the Republican party's agenda....and their "identity" crisis.
And if the RNC decided to not let him run (not quite sure what legal right they'd have to do that), you'd no doubt be attacking the party for its lack of democratic credentials.
Hope is the denial of reality
I don't think he imagines it working out that way. I think he believes his bullheadedness and determination will get them moving by force if he has to (call it political pressure, or some sort of sanction he'll concoct to coerce congress to comply).
I think he genuinely wants to run for president; I woudl guess, this isn't just a publicity stunt; I really think he's expressing his honest views. I also think if it was stunt to bump his brand/make him money he wouldn't have said such turn off things toward latinos for one, and toward women another. I don't think it's a publcity stunt, I think he's legitly running. I don't think he'll win. I could see him beating hilary, but I'm probably delusional in saying that. I think I just don't much like Hilary myself. She has no enthuisasm when she speaks, and you can tell she's speaking in a calculated politcally correct way, which is fine, but I would be able to enjoy it more if I couldn't tell. If Obama is speaking from a teleprompter and spouting the exact key notes he wants to hit, that is party approved, that's fine, but he does it in a way that you think he's speaking about things he's passionate about and believes. That's the killer for me, aside from woman's rights issues, I don't feel any sense of cause in Hilary's speech giving so far (perhaps this will change in the future). But I can't vote for someone unless they're painting a clear vision they believe in.
What makes you so sure about that, Loki? I think it was "appropriate" when the RNC excluded the John Birch Society.
That it doesn't have control over that? You think the National Committee gets to decide who competes for the nomination? I assure you, you are quite wrong if you do. Besides, he is of use in being a foil for other candidates.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
I think the idea that Trump doesn't want to be President and could pull out is optimistic in the extreme. While I agree he entered the race for his own narcissistic reasons never expecting to actually win the allure of power is very tempting. If he starts to think he can win, I don't think he will pull out, he will take the chance if it is there. The same thing is happening in the UK with the Corbyn race for the Labour Party leadership, there is no chance Corbyn thought he was actually going to win (even early on his supporters laughed at the idea he might) and as he started to take the lead optimistic Labour voices started saying the same things as here "he doesn't really want it, he'll pull out, he knows he's not right for it" etc ... well he's not pulled out.
I do keep aware of that (same as I never forget how Teddy Roosevelt got elected) but. . . this isn't the first time he's put his hat in either. Nor is it the first time he's been in front in the polls. This one has lasted longer than any of his other explorations besides the Reform Party run but his pattern has been consistent.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
There's two different ways he doesn't win the GOP nomination - one is that he fails to win as he loses popularity/an opponent overtakes in popularity, the other is that he pulls out.
I agree that I don't think he'll win as he'll fizzle out, my point was that if he doesn't fizzle out then its not safe to assume he'll pull the plug on his own campaign. Simply relying on him giving up as he doesn't want it doesn't seem reliable.
He's never been in the lead either. Not saying he's going to win, but you can't just expect him to drop out like in the past.
Hope is the denial of reality
As an aside, this discussion about whether or not you can count on Trump to pull out is kinda hilarious
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Well Trump's take on it is,
Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Perry is out of the race - hopefully the field will quickly dwindle down. The sooner we get to 3-4 serious folks the sooner Trumps reversal will occur.
Yeah, who will his 0.5% support go to.
Hope is the denial of reality
I'm hoping it creates a domino effect.Yeah, who will his 0.5% support go to.
That doesn't bode well for the Republican Party. Reminder---it's impossible to talk about Trump without also dissecting the RNC's dysfunctions or identity crises. What does it mean to be a Republican...or vote for the Republican party nominee, regardless?
Trump pledged an oath to the RNC. Everyone in the RNC pledged "allegiance" to their political party. Then they try to make it look like they're defenders of the Constitution while ignoring Article VI that gives "supremacy" to the Union.
WTF is going on in American politics?
What are you blathering on about? Are you really suggesting the RNC asking candidates to make a pledge not to run as an Independent is unconstitutional?That doesn't bode well for the Republican Party. Reminder---it's impossible to talk about Trump without also dissecting the RNC's dysfunctions or identity crises. What does it mean to be a Republican...or vote for the Republican party nominee, regardless?
Trump pledged an oath to the RNC. Everyone in the RNC pledged "allegiance" to their political party. Then they try to make it look like they're defenders of the Constitution while ignoring Article VI that gives "supremacy" to the Union.
WTF is going on in American politics?
After she complained about the exact opposite a few weeks ago.
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Since this seems to have become the Republican Primary megathread (if not the 2016 megathread), it seems from the reports I'm reading here is that the big winner of the latest debate was Fiorina, but I've no idea why. Is that right and if so why?
No! I've been saying (for a long time) that the Republican party has an identity crisis, and is floundering between its "principles", and getting enough votes. In order to be a viable, representative, political party on the National level.....they shouldn't rely on the old, white, male, Christian/Protestant model of power from previous centuries. The world has changed, and the US led the way, btw.
The RNC's "autopsy" report basically said the same thing. But there are enough hard-line right-wingers (with lobbyist money) to distort things. Trump may be funding his own campaign, but it's just as distorting as Citizens United. Our political system is a mess, but the Republican Party an ever bigger mess. (It wouldn't matter so much if the US wasn't dominated by TWO parties, but since we are, it does matter.)
I've read the same reports. She "won" because she got recognition in social media, and confronted Trump without calling him an outright ass.She also got points for dissing Hillary Clinton, so it can't be a gender war, right?
She is becoming appealing to female voters.
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
I used to think our (US) political weaning process was too long, compared to other nations (like the UK). But maybe we do a better job of weaning out the egoists and entertainers in the long run?
It's not apparent that our process is working very well.....when characters like Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman or Rick Santorum or Mike Huckabee can drive policy in the political arena, by invoking their religious beliefs.....but maybe it's better in the long run, after all?
Well the UK's in Labour seems to have just categorically failed. Except maybe it hasn't because we elect our Leader of the Opposition nearly five years early meaning that he's essentially on probation now for nearly five years and can be dumped in that time if he doesn't perform. The US system of primaries drags out much longer but once they're selected its sort of too late to switch them if they fail to perform.
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