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    Default A New Age of Authoritarianism?

    In-depth article:

    http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424...thoritarianism

    EXCERPT:

    Miles away, in an office at Vanderbilt University, a professor named Marc Hetherington was having his own aha moment. He realized that he and a fellow political scientist, the University of North Carolina's Jonathan Weiler, had essentially predicted Trump's rise back in 2009, when they discovered something that would turn out to be far more significant than they then realized.

    That year, Hetherington and Weiler published a book about the effects of authoritarianism on American politics. Through a series of experiments and careful data analysis, they had come to a surprising conclusion: Much of the polarization dividing American politics was fueled not just by gerrymandering or money in politics or the other oft-cited variables, but by an unnoticed but surprisingly large electoral group — authoritarians.

    Their book concluded that the GOP, by positioning itself as the party of traditional values and law and order, had unknowingly attracted what would turn out to be a vast and previously bipartisan population of Americans with authoritarian tendencies.

    This trend had been accelerated in recent years by demographic and economic changes such as immigration, which "activated" authoritarian tendencies, leading many Americans to seek out a strongman leader who would preserve a status quo they feel is under threat and impose order on a world they perceive as increasingly alien.

    These Americans with authoritarian views, they found, were sorting into the GOP, driving polarization. But they were also creating a divide within the party, at first latent, between traditional Republican voters and this group whose views were simultaneously less orthodox and, often, more extreme.

    Over time, Hetherington and Weiler had predicted, that sorting would become more and more pronounced. And so it was all but inevitable that, eventually, authoritarians would gain enough power within the GOP to make themselves heard.

    At the time, even Hetherington and Weiler did not realize the explosive implications: that their theory, when followed to its natural conclusion, predicted a looming and dramatic transformation of American politics. But looking back now, the ramifications of their research seem disturbingly clear.

    Authoritarians are thought to express much deeper fears than the rest of the electorate, to seek the imposition of order where they perceive dangerous change, and to desire a strong leader who will defeat those fears with force. They would thus seek a candidate who promised these things. And the extreme nature of authoritarians' fears, and of their desire to challenge threats with force, would lead them toward a candidate whose temperament was totally unlike anything we usually see in American politics — and whose policies went far beyond the acceptable norms.

    A candidate like Donald Trump.

    Even Hetherington was shocked to discover quite how right their theory had been. In the early fall of 2015, as Trump's rise baffled most American journalists and political scientists, he called Weiler. He asked, over and over, "Can you believe this? Can you believe this?"

    This winter, I got in touch with Hetherington, MacWilliams, and several other political scientists who study authoritarianism. I wanted to better understand the theory that seemed to have predicted, with such eerie accuracy, Trump's rise. And, like them, I wanted to find out what the rise of authoritarian politics meant for American politics. Was Trump just the start of something bigger?

    These political scientists were, at that moment, beginning to grapple with the same question. We agreed there was something important happening here — that was just beginning to be understood.

    Shortly after the Iowa Republican caucus, in which Trump came in a close second, Vox partnered with the Washington-based media and polling company Morning Consult to test American authoritarians along a range of political and social views — and to test some hypotheses we had developed after speaking with the leading political scientists of the field.

    What we found is a phenomenon that explains, with remarkable clarity, the rise of Donald Trump — but that is also much larger than him, shedding new light on some of the biggest political stories of the past decade. Trump, it turns out, is just the symptom. The rise of American authoritarianism is transforming the Republican Party and the dynamics of national politics, with profound consequences likely to extend well beyond this election.

    [...]

    The field, after a breakthrough in the early 1990s, has come to develop the contours of a grand theory of authoritarianism, culminating quite recently, in 2005, with Stenner's seminal The Authoritarian Dynamic — just in time for that theory to seemingly come true, more rapidly and in greater force than any of them had imagined, in the personage of one Donald Trump and his norm-shattering rise.

    According to Stenner's theory, there is a certain subset of people who hold latent authoritarian tendencies. These tendencies can be triggered or "activated" by the perception of physical threats or by destabilizing social change, leading those individuals to desire policies and leaders that we might more colloquially call authoritarian.

    It is as if, the NYU professor Jonathan Haidt has written, a button is pushed that says, "In case of moral threat, lock down the borders, kick out those who are different, and punish those who are morally deviant."

    (first article: http://www.vox.com/2016/2/23/1109964...thoritarianism)
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    Much of the reasoning and some/much of the science is a little suspect, but an interesting/terrifying read nonetheless
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    Funny enough it is the other party that is authoritarian. We have massive amount of regulation coming from the Obama administration. We've never been told *you must have health insurance or you will pay fine* in the history of America. But now you will actually be fined for NOT carrying health insurance. Is that big brother or what?

    Any regulatory action that decreases choice is by nature authoritarian. Liberals love authoritarian actions because they hate private business and think the average person is too stupid to operate without massive consumer protection laws.

    Now Trump (like many liberals) supports rampant use of eminent domain quite the authoritarian activity so they aren't completely off the mark in pointing out Trump is an authoritarian but they have their math wrong if they think it is the Republican party that attracts authoritarians.

    Just off the top of my head here are a few liberal positions that are authoritarian in nature:

    Obama Care
    Minimum Wage
    Gun Control
    Vehicle regulation regarding CO2
    Banning of Atlantic Drilling
    Hate Speech Laws
    Wealth Redistribution via progressive taxation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    I've seen this referenced before, but I have to agree with Lewk that the definition of "authoritarian" here is sort of ludicrous. The ways in which Trump's "platform" is authoritarian often match things that the US left has pushed recently (executive orders, censoring speech, etc).

    Trump is just a guy who engenders appeal among a wide array of groups who are intellectually incoherent, especially to the coastal media elite. The real story here is how the Republican party is having trouble keeping these people in the tent. Which itself is a questionable statement because primaries aren't necessarily representative, have wide turnout fluctuations and many US primaries are open. IE, a small-but-not-zero percentage of Trump supporters aren't even really Republicans to start with.

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    There was recently a piece on the Monkey Cage that actually showed a larger portion of Cruz's supporters were authoritarian, and Rubio was only marginally better. The way authoritarianism is operationalized (based on how you'd raise your kids) is also highly correlated with Evangelical Christians (for obvious reasons), which means the concept might be capturing someone's religion more than their world outlook.
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    Interesting exerpt. I think that "bipartisan sorting" started decades ago, when our role as a post-WWII military superpower became part of "Party Platform".

    It's interesting that a Republican President (Nixon) got us out of the very unpopular Viet Nam War, and a Republican President (Reagan) got us through the USSR Cold War without firing a single shot..... but years later the GOP became the party of "military hawks", willing to use force against other authoritarian governments, but doesn't see the paradox.

    I suppose 9/11 changed everything, and challenged everyone's perceptions about what Authoritarianism actually means.

    edit: it's rather hard to discuss Authoritarianism with folks that don't like to discuss Colonialism.....
    Last edited by GGT; 03-17-2016 at 05:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    There was recently a piece on the Monkey Cage that actually showed a larger portion of Cruz's supporters were authoritarian, and Rubio was only marginally better. The way authoritarianism is operationalized (based on how you'd raise your kids) is also highly correlated with Evangelical Christians (for obvious reasons), which means the concept might be capturing someone's religion more than their world outlook.
    Yeah, the test for authoritarianism is my biggest issue with the article for that reason, although I believe there is some independent evidence for a high prevalence of authoritarianism (measured in other ways) among Evangelicals. However, more important than the question of whether or not Trump's supporters are the most authoritarian of them all is the question of whether or not authoritarians in general are sorting themselves preferentially into the GOP and shifting the party in that direction.

    I confess I'm a little puzzled by the findings from the survey described on the Monkey Cage chiefly because I associate Cruz with the quintessential American populist movement--the Tea Party. I obviously have no insight into whether or not the questions intended to identify populism have been validated but I'll take that on face value. It would have been interesting to see the results for democratic voters too. Nevertheless, I am more inclined to view Trump's appeal as being rooted in his populism than in his authoritarianism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    There was recently a piece on the Monkey Cage that actually showed a larger portion of Cruz's supporters were authoritarian, and Rubio was only marginally better. The way authoritarianism is operationalized (based on how you'd raise your kids) is also highly correlated with Evangelical Christians (for obvious reasons), which means the concept might be capturing someone's religion more than their world outlook.
    Yeah, the test for authoritarianism is my biggest issue with the article for that reason, although I believe there is some independent evidence for a high prevalence of authoritarianism (measured in other ways) among Evangelicals (among whom Trump has been surprisingly successful). However, more important than the question of whether or not Trump's supporters are the most authoritarian of them all is the question of whether or not authoritarians in general are sorting themselves preferentially into the GOP and shifting the party in that direction.

    I confess I'm a little puzzled by the findings from the survey described on the Monkey Cage chiefly because I associate Cruz with the quintessential American populist movement--the Tea Party. I obviously have no insight into whether or not the questions intended to identify populism have been validated but I'll take that on face value. It would have been interesting to see the results for democratic voters too. Nevertheless, I am more inclined to view Trump's appeal as being rooted in his populism than in his authoritarianism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Any regulatory action that decreases choice is by nature authoritarian. Liberals love authoritarian actions because they hate private business and think the average person is too stupid to operate without massive consumer protection laws.

    Now Trump (like many liberals) supports rampant use of eminent domain quite the authoritarian activity so they aren't completely off the mark in pointing out Trump is an authoritarian but they have their math wrong if they think it is the Republican party that attracts authoritarians.

    Just off the top of my head here are a few liberal positions that are authoritarian in nature:

    Obama Care
    Minimum Wage
    Gun Control
    Vehicle regulation regarding CO2
    Banning of Atlantic Drilling
    Hate Speech Laws
    Wealth Redistribution via progressive taxation
    Sure, by this definition pretty much every single Western nation including the US has been very authoritarian for over half a century.
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    By Lewk's logic, pretty much any law is authoritarian.

    He's obviously an anarchist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    By Lewk's logic, pretty much any law is authoritarian.

    He's obviously an anarchist.
    Lewk is mostly correct albeit with a very negative shading. Authoritarian isn't just a status for the extreme end of law-making, it is also a direction in the spectrum. Statism and authoritarianism both move down the same road, just with different ascribed intents. You use the former if you're being neutral and the latter if you're being pejorative. A degree of authoritarianism isn't actually a bad thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    By Lewk's logic, pretty much any law is authoritarian.

    He's obviously an anarchist.
    Define authoritarian to me because we seem to be working with a definition gap. I do view it as when control is placed in the hands of the government as opposed to the individual. Obviously we need some laws but no one should ever lose sight of the fact that laws restrict freedom. They are a necessary evil and should be doled out as limited as possible securing people against the threat of violence from internal and external threats. (Ie, criminals, terrorists and invasion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post

    Sure, by this definition pretty much every single Western nation including the US has been very authoritarian for over half a century.
    I would consider most European countries to be far more authoritarian than America. (With some exceptions)

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-what-are-they

    Minx, a larger share of Cruz's voters are evangelical. And as I pointed out, evangelicals are most likely to be authoritarian based on how the term is operationalized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Lewk is mostly correct albeit with a very negative shading. Authoritarian isn't just a status for the extreme end of law-making, it is also a direction in the spectrum. Statism and authoritarianism both move down the same road, just with different ascribed intents. You use the former if you're being neutral and the latter if you're being pejorative. A degree of authoritarianism isn't actually a bad thing.
    That's certainly true but the way Lewk is using it is so overly broad that it becomes completely and utterly useless.

    Which kind of was my point in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-what-are-they

    Minx, a larger share of Cruz's voters are evangelical. And as I pointed out, evangelicals are most likely to be authoritarian based on how the term is operationalized.
    That was interesting....especially that people who are worried about authoritarianism should worry about Cruz.


    Q: Isn't a "New Age of Authoritarianism" a global thing? (Turkey's Erdogan, France's Marine La Pen, Holland's Geert Wilders, etc.)

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    From a Turkish perspective this whole topic is ludicrous. If you want to know what growing authoritarianism looks like you shouldn't talk about make believe growth in the USA but about the day to day pressure being put on civic society in Turkey.
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    If anything, the Turkish example shows how fragile democratic institutions are and how they can be dismantled by someone dedicated to creating an authoritarian regime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-what-are-they

    Minx, a larger share of Cruz's voters are evangelical. And as I pointed out, evangelicals are most likely to be authoritarian based on how the term is operationalized.
    I'll bite: what do we mean by "operationalized". Do you mean "used"?

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    Operationalized = how you turn a concept into a measurable variable. The concept of authoritarianism is pretty straightforward: it refers to someone who values order over consensus, believes in obeying authority instead of tolerating dissent, etc. But how do you measure that? You can't really directly ask people because the term authoritarian has negative connotations. So what researchers decided to do is to ask people how children should be reared. Basically, if you emphasize discipline and respect for authority over creativity, you're authoritarian. And while there might be some elements of truth to that, evangelical Christians also believe in bringing up their children in a very authoritarian way (simply because they're taught to believe that). But it doesn't mean that they apply the same kind of authoritarian logic in other spheres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    If anything, the Turkish example shows how fragile democratic institutions are and how they can be dismantled by someone dedicated to creating an authoritarian regime.
    Poland seems to be on the same path.
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    And Hungary. Not a good decade for democracy.
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    It rises in some places (Tunisia, for example, and Egypt, at least compared to the previous government) and falters in others. I would hesitate to render a verdict on the decade yet.
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    By any reasonable standard, Egypt is worse than under Mubarak. Tunisia is the only bright spot (along with Myanmar, if you're not a Muslim) and even there, you have key actors doing undemocratic things. Meanwhile, Turkey, Poland, Hungary, Niger, and Lebanon are going in the wrong decision. More worryingly, an ever increasing share of Western voters are abandoning democratic norms.
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    I think you're using democratic to mean things which it doesn't actually mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    I think you're using democratic to mean things which it doesn't actually mean.
    You mean not tolerating any opposition in parliament (unlike Mubarak, who tolerated "independent" Islamists) and cracking down hard on even minor forms of dissent aren't issues with democracy?
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    I may be wrong but I think Fuzzy is getting at that Democracy != freedom. Democracy just means the determination of who controls the government is based on a democratic vote.

    Sure, Democracy and Freedom often go hand and hand compared to other governments but that isn't necessarily true.

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    There's no democratic vote if opposition candidates and parties aren't allowed to run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Democracy just means the determination of who controls the government is based on a democratic vote.
    No it also means that anyone is able to be voted.
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/28/wo...-articles.html

    And another democracy biting the dust.
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    To be fair, this isn't an unexpected turn of events in my dear homeland
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