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  1. #751
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    OG, is there any quick way to check if there's a concerted campaign against that reporter (Julia Ioffe) by some reddit group or Stormfront?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    If the group is private not really. I haven't seen anything come across the front page of reddit or seen /r/shitredditsays bitch about any pitchforking

    search results for the article linked above: https://www.reddit.com/submit?url=ht...isemitic-abuse
    The only result for the original article: https://www.reddit.com/r/DumpTrump/c..._donald_trump/
    Considering the large number of creative nasty phone-calls it's likely there's a semi-organised effort where her contact info etc has been provided for asshats to use as they wish. Publicly, Stormfront is feigning ignorance and only encouraging its followers to share their views on her "vicious attacks" on Empress Melania. People are just so messed up.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  2. #752
    I don't think it's reasonable to count-out a contested convention yet. Chances are narrowing, but the truth is the convention is really oriented around a majority of delegates voting for a candidate. Trump does not have a majority of delegates, and we can't be certain he will (or even have delegate defections) until we get there.

    Also I read the GQ profile of Melania Trump last night and thought it was pretty flattering, all things considered.

    It's like Trump has his own version of left-wing union trolls on the Internet, except they are right wing morons and don't get paid.

  3. #753
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    I don't think it's reasonable to count-out a contested convention yet. Chances are narrowing, but the truth is the convention is really oriented around a majority of delegates voting for a candidate. Trump does not have a majority of delegates, and we can't be certain he will (or even have delegate defections) until we get there.

    Also I read the GQ profile of Melania Trump last night and thought it was pretty flattering, all things considered.

    It's like Trump has his own version of left-wing union trolls on the Internet, except they are right wing morons and don't get paid.
    Chances have REALLY narrowed. The path to stopping Trump from getting the majority looks really grim.

  4. #754
    Dread, not going to happen when Trump is polling at 40-50% in virtually all non-caucus states.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  5. #755
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Chances have REALLY narrowed. The path to stopping Trump from getting the majority looks really grim.
    Too little too late even if he only gets 1150 delegates (which is surely his floor now) that realistically is enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  6. #756
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Too little too late even if he only gets 1150 delegates (which is surely his floor now) that realistically is enough.
    If only he gets 1150 it can be a contested convention. The person with the most delegates doesn't win necessarily, the person who reaches the 50.00001% does. That being said the odds of him not hitting 1237 are not pretty damned low.

  7. #757
    Can does not mean will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  8. #758
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    I don't think it's reasonable to count-out a contested convention yet. Chances are narrowing, but the truth is the convention is really oriented around a majority of delegates voting for a candidate. Trump does not have a majority of delegates, and we can't be certain he will (or even have delegate defections) until we get there.
    Even if there is a contested nomination I have little doubt Trump will win it. Lots of people will wish it could be otherwise, including party elites and leadership, but the consequences of dumping the candidate with a large plurality lead in today's world will be dire, and not just for the Presidential race. It'll murder GOtV efforts and alienate lots of people who would otherwise be voting for more Republican candidates at the polls. It could actually turn safe seats into something potentially up for grabs. And let's not forget that unless there is a realization of the incredibly unlikely possibility of a dark horse candidate taking the nomination, the only plausible alternative is Ted Cruz, who many in the party-leadership also can't stand and think will be a terrible choice as well. The nomination is going to go to Trump unless he loses the remaining races by much higher margins than the polls are showing.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  9. #759
    What odds would you give to Trump winning in November? He wasn't supposed to come this far yet has confounded expectations so its possible albeit unlikely.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  10. #760
    Betfair has Clinton at 72.5% and Trump at 22.2%. That seems too generous for Trump. I'd put his probability of victory at 5-10%. Shame I don't live in the UK (can't bet on politics in the US).

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plu...et/1.107373419
    http://www.bettingexpert.com/how-to/convert-odds (for translating decimals to percentages).
    Hope is the denial of reality

  11. #761
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Even if there is a contested nomination I have little doubt Trump will win it. Lots of people will wish it could be otherwise, including party elites and leadership, but the consequences of dumping the candidate with a large plurality lead in today's world will be dire, and not just for the Presidential race. It'll murder GOtV efforts and alienate lots of people who would otherwise be voting for more Republican candidates at the polls. It could actually turn safe seats into something potentially up for grabs. And let's not forget that unless there is a realization of the incredibly unlikely possibility of a dark horse candidate taking the nomination, the only plausible alternative is Ted Cruz, who many in the party-leadership also can't stand and think will be a terrible choice as well. The nomination is going to go to Trump unless he loses the remaining races by much higher margins than the polls are showing.
    Nah a contested convention wouldn't be a Trump auto win. Its possible but people who are selected as delegates are often party insiders.

  12. #762
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    What odds would you give to Trump winning in November? He wasn't supposed to come this far yet has confounded expectations so its possible albeit unlikely.
    I couldn't begin to make that kind of estimate. I'd be surprised if he got less than 40% of the popular vote though. Not that that's a hard prediction to make, there have only been four elections (without extra candidates spoiling the general election) where that's happened and one of those doesn't properly count. In 1836 the Whigs ran four separate candidates (each in a different region where they were deemed likely to do better) to try and draw enough votes from incumbent van Buren to throw the election to Congress. It failed.
    Last edited by LittleFuzzy; 05-03-2016 at 05:20 AM.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  13. #763
    I guess I'll be pushing the button for Gary Johnson. I don't actually support all of his positions (particularly his stance on Iran) but maybe if enough people vote Libertarian in a protest vote over Trump we might shift the party. Meh, fools dream really, the next generation of babies want government to take care of them from cradle to grave. Very depressing election cycle.

  14. #764
    Looks like Fiorina's merger here went as well as her last one in the private sector. But hey, not many people can claim they ran for our top office twice, and lost twice, in the same year!

    But it looks like I'll get to use my sticker!


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    Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 05-04-2016 at 03:22 AM.
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  15. #765
    Some fun with cruz:



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    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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  17. #767
    Funny, a whole bunch of Cruz/Fiorina signs just appeared along the sides of a local roadway last night. I bet whoever planted them is kicking himself.

  18. #768
    They think it's all over, it is now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  19. #769
    *singing*

    Can't get the stink off
    He's been hanging round for days
    Comes like a comet
    Suckered you but not your friends
    One day he'll get to you
    And teach you how to be a holy cow

    You do it to yourself, you do
    And that's what really hurts
    Is that you do it to yourself
    Just you and no one else
    You do it to yourself
    You do it to yourself

    Don't get my sympathy
    Hanging out the 15th floor
    You've changed the locks three times
    He still comes reeling through the door
    One day I'll get you
    And teach you how to get to purest hell

    You do it to yourself, you do
    And that's what really hurts
    Is that you do it to yourself
    Just you, you and no one else
    You do it to yourself
    You do it to yourself
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  20. #770

    Love that Song. Awesome Video too.


    My mobile tries to correct all nouns it knows to capital.
    "Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt

  21. #771
    Kasich just dropped out as well.
    The light that once I thought compassion still casting shadows in your action
    The words you shared were cold transactions that bring me to curse what you've done
    When you're up there absorbed in greatness with such success you've grown complacent
    I hope you scorch your many faces when you fly too close to the sun

  22. #772
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    What odds would you give to Trump winning in November? He wasn't supposed to come this far yet has confounded expectations so its possible albeit unlikely.
    Barring any October surprises it doesn't seem all that likely. Even though he has a decent floor of support, he also has a ceiling. And the electoral math doesn't seem to favor him all that well. That being said, I have been surprised at the people I know who - although I would characterize them as broadly reasonable - hate Clinton enough to vote for Trump. It's hard to know how much this will translate into changes in either turnout or voting intentions, but I wouldn't count him out just yet. If I were a betting man, though, I'd definitely put it all on Clinton. She's a disciplined if unexciting campaigner with loads of establishment support, and I suspect, will end up with a pretty big lead in fundraising. Unless she has personally murdered a senator (well, most senators) I just don't see her campaign tripping up dramatically. Trump, on the other hand, is the definition of undisciplined, and his unfavorables are quite high. I just don't see it happening.

    I never give money to political causes, but I'm seriously considering convincing the wife to donate to the Clinton campaign. She's hardly my ideal candidate but the contrast is truly crazy.
    "When I meet God, I am going to ask him two questions: Why relativity? And why turbulence? I really believe he will have an answer for the first." - Werner Heisenberg (maybe)

  23. #773
    Misperceiving Bullshit as Profound Is Associated with Favorable Views of Cruz, Rubio, Trump and Conservatism

    Peer reviewed article published in the journal PLOS ONE, using the Bullshit Receptivity scale to define "pseudo-profound bullshit"

    Science is fun!
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  24. #774
    No indication what the sample size was for each candidate.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  25. #775
    Quote Originally Posted by wiggin View Post
    Barring any October surprises it doesn't seem all that likely. Even though he has a decent floor of support, he also has a ceiling. And the electoral math doesn't seem to favor him all that well. That being said, I have been surprised at the people I know who - although I would characterize them as broadly reasonable - hate Clinton enough to vote for Trump. It's hard to know how much this will translate into changes in either turnout or voting intentions, but I wouldn't count him out just yet. If I were a betting man, though, I'd definitely put it all on Clinton. She's a disciplined if unexciting campaigner with loads of establishment support, and I suspect, will end up with a pretty big lead in fundraising. Unless she has personally murdered a senator (well, most senators) I just don't see her campaign tripping up dramatically. Trump, on the other hand, is the definition of undisciplined, and his unfavorables are quite high. I just don't see it happening.

    I never give money to political causes, but I'm seriously considering convincing the wife to donate to the Clinton campaign. She's hardly my ideal candidate but the contrast is truly crazy.
    That's a huge waste of money. I've been wrong a lot this election cycle but I would be shocked if Trump doesn't do worse than either McCain or Romney.

  26. #776
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Misperceiving Bullshit as Profound Is Associated with Favorable Views of Cruz, Rubio, Trump and Conservatism

    Peer reviewed article published in the journal PLOS ONE, using the Bullshit Receptivity scale to define "pseudo-profound bullshit"

    Science is fun!
    "Competing interests: The authors have declared that no competing interests exist."

    How about the fact they are liberals?

  27. #777
    What?
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  28. #778
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Misperceiving Bullshit as Profound Is Associated with Favorable Views of Cruz, Rubio, Trump and Conservatism

    Peer reviewed article published in the journal PLOS ONE, using the Bullshit Receptivity scale to define "pseudo-profound bullshit"

    Science is fun!
    That's not science. It's a lit-studies paper masquerading as science.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  29. #779
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    That's a huge waste of money. I've been wrong a lot this election cycle but I would be shocked if Trump doesn't do worse than either McCain or Romney.
    Let us say that Trump has a 10% chance of winning - that is far lower chances than I would have given to either McCain or Romney at a similar point in the campaign. Am I willing to save a few bucks in the complacent assumption that he won't win? To me, a low probability risk that has very high costs should receive just as much attention as a higher probability risk with low costs. In most recent presidential campaigns, I have not felt that the outcome of the election could dramatically damage the country, so while I voted I did not feel the need to get involved in any way. In this election, I very much feel that a Trump presidency would be ruinous, so a modest investment against that possibility seems prudent, no?
    "When I meet God, I am going to ask him two questions: Why relativity? And why turbulence? I really believe he will have an answer for the first." - Werner Heisenberg (maybe)

  30. #780
    Quote Originally Posted by wiggin View Post
    Let us say that Trump has a 10% chance of winning - that is far lower chances than I would have given to either McCain or Romney at a similar point in the campaign. Am I willing to save a few bucks in the complacent assumption that he won't win? To me, a low probability risk that has very high costs should receive just as much attention as a higher probability risk with low costs. In most recent presidential campaigns, I have not felt that the outcome of the election could dramatically damage the country, so while I voted I did not feel the need to get involved in any way. In this election, I very much feel that a Trump presidency would be ruinous, so a modest investment against that possibility seems prudent, no?
    That's how I felt at the last General Election though I didn't simply donate money, I donated time too going door-to-do delivering leaflets.

    Do you guys do that sort of thing there or is it all money? Possibly because of stringent spending caps here donating time can be worth more than donating money.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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