Wait, my bad:
http://www.thelocal.no/20160628/norw...k-joining-efta
Wait, my bad:
http://www.thelocal.no/20160628/norw...k-joining-efta
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
I wonder if anyone realized that.Originally Posted by Aimless
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Who needs to do their homework when they can use their gut and listen to those uninformed morons they already agree with?
Hope is the denial of reality
It is interesting though. I'd just assumed that the UK re-joining EFTA would be beneficial to--and welcomed by--all EFTA-members, provided there were no special treatment. I hadn't considered the possibility that the UK may have a disruptive and unwelcome effect on EFTA simply by joining it.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
I'm guessing they might not want the UK to hijack their bargaining positions, the same way it constantly tried in the EU. Only here, the UK would have more leverage. .
Hope is the denial of reality
Btw, I have been wondering about something that I think you guys may be able to explain to me.
If the pound drops against the dollar and some other currencies
and then dollar drops against some of those other currencies
does the pound rally against the dollar?
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Only if all other parameters stayed the same.
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Unknown.
If the pound holds stable against those other currencies in the second phase then yes. If not, then not necessarily. More information required for a definitive answer.
There's two years to negotiate entry, why would Norway guarantee the UK entry before any negotiations have taken place whatsoever yet? I have no doubt we'll get it sorted if that is the path we go down, but it makes no sense for any party at this premature stage to give everything away unconditionally.
It creates extra problems for the UK though that it has to play on several boards at the same time, with stronger and more experienced players. Just a wild example; what if Bulgaria brings up the problem of fishing rights? Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? But they could. And to make that demand go away will not be as easy as saying that it is ridiculous.
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Less than 2 years later, with the usual caveat that we haven't left yet but ...
... Sterling is back above $1.40 (indeed higher than it was a fortnight before the Brexit vote).
... very few jobs have moved.
... even more jobs have actually arrived.
... London is still the financial capital of Europe.
... FTSE is 25% higher than it was before the Brexit vote.
And all of that on the presumption the UK is going to turn into a province of the EU. Congratulations.
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More nonsense from you. Now that reality is turning Project Fear to dust, now its "ah but you're not really leaving". Except we are and life goes on.
So far you only have left, and your government is very much trying to leave in name only. Finally, appearantly Breximaniacs have somehow missed the fact that the dollar is significantly down against the euro.
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Despite the wild imaginings of Euromaniacs like yourself, the Dollar is the global standard and global currency. While if you're satisfied that this is leaving in name only then mission accomplished.
Days after Khen was gloating that there was of course no chance of Financial Services being included in a Brexit deal, despite Macron confirming a bespoke deal for Britain ... we now have the Italian PM saying it would be "unrealistic" to not include Financial Services in the deal. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...taly-thinks-so
File under No Shit Sherlock, I said that was obvious all along. Continental Europe cutting herself off from the number one source of financial funding would not be clever.
Nope.
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It gets sadder every time deluded Leavers try to reinterpret consistent statements from the EU to support their fantasies. Even if this were not such a case, his opinion would not change the fact that a generous deal on financial services would immediately require the EU to agree to equally generous deals with other FTA partners, eg. Canada, SK, Japan, which would most likely bring negotiations to a halt or prolong them by several years.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
I see I'm deluded for interpreting the words "Any Brexit deal must include financial services" to mean that "Any Brexit deal must include financial services". Riiiiiggghttt ....
You still do not understand that including financial deals WILL also include the four freedoms and you still bein subject to our courts?
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
No, what's delusional is assuming, over and over again, that there are such substantial disagreements between EU member states & the negotiators--about the negotiations--that the UK will end up getting unicorns that have been expressly taken off the table.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Fixed that for you.
Considering TTIP was going to include Financial Services originally, would that have included the four freedoms and made the USA subject to your courts?
Except the member states keep saying it should be on the table.
Which makes sense, Europe would be engaging in a tremendous act of self-harm if it cut itself off from London's financial services. It would be like the Credit Crunch all over again, maybe this time on steroids.
I don't see any member states clearly stating that they want and expect to see the UK get a substantial agreement on free trade in financial services once it reverts to third country status.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Well negotiations haven't even really began on the final trade deal yet let alone finished. The Irish PM has said he would like to see us have a Norway Plus deal but even I wouldn't expect that.
The fun part is that the Brits hope that phase two division is going to save them. But of course WE know that in that stage of the negotiations they need us to be unanimous more than ever.
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I don't hope for division. I hope everyone agrees unanimously that a good trade deal is in everyone's best interests. That nobody is helped by cutting off their nose to spite their face.
It’s you who in Daily Fail style thinks it matters very much what the Irish PM says outside the Council.
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Of course it matters, they are key stakeholders and part of the decision making process.
There are no key stakeholders. You need every single government and parliament on board to get any deal on the future relationship. You are way too self absorbed to even start to understand.
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They absolutely are key stakeholders which is why their input was so crucial at the end of the last set of negotiations.
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