Multiple officers killed at Dallas protest over police killings

[Aimless]

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us...ion/index.html

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/7/12125740...olice-protests

Isn't it a bit late in the year for an American Spring?

[earthJoker]

Four officers killed in Dallas protests against police shootings


Here's what we know:
-- A total of 10 police officers were shot during the protests, Dallas Police Chief David Brown said. An 11th was shot during an exchange of gunfire with one of the suspects, and the officer was transported to the hospital, authorities said.
-- Brown said there could be more than two shooters. He said police had cornered a suspect in a commercial garage. "These suspects have threatened to plant a bomb in the downtown area," he said.
-- Two of the shooters were snipers, who shot from an "elevated position" and fired on officers "ambush-style," he said.
-- Officers killed included one DART officer and two Dallas police officers. DART, the Dallas Area Rapid Transit agency, operates buses and commuter rail in the city and surrounding suburbs.
-- The Dallas Police Department circulated a photo of a man they said was a suspect in the shooting, but later called him a person of interest and said he turned himself in.
-- An "alleged suspect" is in custody, the Dallas Police Department tweeted.
-- A suspicious package was discovered near that suspect's location. The package is being secured by a bomb squad, the tweet said.

This looks terrible, and besides the tragic loss of the event, it could (should I say will?) escalate things even more.

[earthJoker]

Aimless beat me to it, his thread wasn't there when I started writing. Maybe we can merge the threads.

[RandBlade]

[@Aimless before merging in earthJoker's posts] That's sick and tasteless.

[Aimless]

I'm honestly afraid that this is going to escalate and get even more out of hand than it already is. We have friends and family in Dallas. I just hope this isn't the spark that causes the whole thing to blow up.

[Aimless]

[@Aimless before merging in earthJoker's posts] That's sick and tasteless.

Sorry, wasn't my intention to be flippant btw. It was in reference to the narrative of one event triggering a wave of violence and unrest. Obviously not the same kind of situation but I'm afraid of how the police will react and what impact their reaction may have.

[Hazir]

I will repeat here that I, being as white as it gets, feels uncomfortable in contacts with the police in the USA. I can imagine that for people who are less white it can be terrifying.

[Aimless]

http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/piedmo...x-klan-closed/


Black man found hanging from a tree in a park in Atlanta police are saying it's suicide. I hope that's all it is.

[RandBlade]

We may never know

[Aimless]

We may never know

Certainly not if they Lennon Lacy this investigation too

[Loki]

Frankly, I'm amazed this doesn't happen more frequently. I wonder if it's Martin Luther King Jr.'s legacy, acceptance of harassment by the authorities developed over centuries, or something else, but people facing the same situation in most other countries would have gone after the police at a much higher rate. We're lucky that it's only loners doing this now. Their type of violence is unfortunate, but not that difficult to contain.

Edit: Some extra info on the attacker: https://www.yahoo.com/gma/dallas-sus...opstories.html

[Lewkowski]

I don't think you are reading the situation properly or really get how common certain things are or are not happening. We have a population of 300 million - you may see 'bad shoots' regularly on the media but it is a tiny TINY fraction of the amount of people killed. By orders of magnitude are minorities killed more frequently during crime than by inappropriate police action. In addition it isn't just minorities who have it happen to them, those tend to be the only ones that get broad media attention.

[Loki]

We have a 1000 people getting killed by cops every year, Lewk. Most comparable countries have deaths in the single digits. And for every death by cop, there are hundreds if not thousands of assaults by cop. While the number of "bad cops" isn't that large, the reality is that they're not punished and the "good cops" do nothing to stop them. Step out of your comfort zone and actually talk to people who live in black neighborhoods.

http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977...police-officer

[Lewkowski]

We have a 1000 people getting killed by cops every year, Lewk. Most comparable countries have deaths in the single digits. And for every death by cop, there are hundreds if not thousands of assaults by cop. While the number of "bad cops" isn't that large, the reality is that they're not punished and the "good cops" do nothing to stop them. Step out of your comfort zone and actually talk to people who live in black neighborhoods.

http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977...police-officer

Death by cop is absolutely fine if the person being shot is criminal. For example the Dallas murdering bastard was death by cop, I think everyone would agree he deserved to die. Only count the people who died who were actually innocent...

There were more MURDERS in one state in 2014. http://www.statista.com/statistics/1...e-us-by-state/

People are far more afraid of criminals than they are of cops. That includes the black community just as well a black person is far more likely to be murdered by another black person in the inner city than they are to be killed by a police officer doing their job appropriately.

[RandBlade]

We have a 1000 people getting killed by cops every year, Lewk. Most comparable countries have deaths in the single digits. And for every death by cop, there are hundreds if not thousands of assaults by cop. While the number of "bad cops" isn't that large, the reality is that they're not punished and the "good cops" do nothing to stop them. Step out of your comfort zone and actually talk to people who live in black neighborhoods.

http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977...police-officer

You also have dozens of cops killed by people every year, Loki. Most comparable countries have deaths in the no digits. And for every death of a cop how many are assaulted? Etc, etc

The problem is your country and its guns. The violence of cops and violence to cops are both scaled up on what would be elsewhere.

[Lewkowski]

You also have dozens of cops killed by people every year, Loki. Most comparable countries have deaths in the no digits. And for every death of a cop how many are assaulted? Etc, etc

The problem is your country and its guns. The violence of cops and violence to cops are both scaled up on what would be elsewhere.

Having a third world country across a porous border, having a culture that glorifies cop killing, 'thug life' and drug dealing and the constant never ending drum beat from liberals about how evil and racist our country is are all also contributing factors.

[GGT]

Having a third world country across a porous border, having a culture that glorifies cop killing, 'thug life' and drug dealing and the constant never ending drum beat from liberals about how evil and racist our country is are all also contributing factors.

Why are you going on about things that had nothing to do with this horrible event in Dallas? People were peacefully assembled to protest cop shootings in LA and MN, and they were getting along with Dallas police just fine....when ONE black man (loaded with an assault rifle, plenty of ammo, and a delusional state of mind) decided to kill a bunch of white cops.

It had nothing to do with our Mexican border, or 'thugs and drug dealers', let alone liberals talking about race relations. Instead, this was an army veteran who was just as deranged, and filled with hate, as Dylan Root (the white nationalist who wanted to start a race war by shooting black people in church). It's a sad irony that one of his victims lived thru 3 tours of duty, but was gunned down by a fellow vet at home as a policeman!

The US culture is violent, and we have some 300 million guns floating around legally -- often in the wrong hands. On top of that we have some 18,000 police departments with different hiring/training protocols, and still-segregated neighborhoods/small cities using racial profiling ("driving while black", etc.) that's a recipe for REAL problems.

[Lewkowski]

Why are you going on about things that had nothing to do with this horrible event in Dallas? People were peacefully assembled to protest cop shootings in LA and MN, and they were getting along with Dallas police just fine....when ONE black man (loaded with an assault rifle, plenty of ammo, and a delusional state of mind) decided to kill a bunch of white cops.

It had nothing to do with our Mexican border, or 'thugs and drug dealers', let alone liberals talking about race relations. Instead, this was an army veteran who was just as deranged, and filled with hate, as Dylan Root (the white nationalist who wanted to start a race war by shooting black people in church). It's a sad irony that one of his victims lived thru 3 tours of duty, but was gunned down by a fellow vet at home as a policeman!

The US culture is violent, and we have some 300 million guns floating around legally -- often in the wrong hands. On top of that we have some 18,000 police departments with different hiring/training protocols, and still-segregated neighborhoods/small cities using racial profiling ("driving while black", etc.) that's a recipe for REAL problems.

I was quoting RB on the discussion about violence overall not this specific incident...

[GGT]

I was quoting RB on the discussion about violence overall not this specific incident...

Well, when ARE you going to admit that the US culture of violence is part of our problem?

[RandBlade]

I was quoting RB on the discussion about violence overall not this specific incident...

How many of the thousands of police shootings are attributable to Mexican gang violence?
How many of the dozens of police fatalities are attributable to Mexican gang violence?

In both instances the figure seems to be very low. This is your own problem, not your neighbours.

[earthJoker]

Having a third world country across a porous border, having a culture that glorifies cop killing, 'thug life' and drug dealing and the constant never ending drum beat from liberals about how evil and racist our country is are all also contributing factors.

All those factors are the same in Europe. Or would you really prefer having Africa and the Middle East as your neighbors?

[Aimless]

He's saying police are killing black people because Mexico has created and helps to sustain the violent criminal drug business in the US and gives black people the money to buy 2pac's music. And then something about liberals

[earthJoker]

It's not like Bushido is really better than 2pac.

[Lewkowski]

How many of the thousands of police shootings are attributable to Mexican gang violence?
How many of the dozens of police fatalities are attributable to Mexican gang violence?

In both instances the figure seems to be very low. This is your own problem, not your neighbours.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2014/...-ridden-in-us/

It is a factor. Just like the other reasons I mentioned.

[Lewkowski]

Well, when ARE you going to admit that the US culture of violence is part of our problem?

"having a culture that glorifies cop killing, 'thug life' and drug dealing"

[Flixy]

"having a culture that glorifies cop killing, 'thug life' and drug dealing"

..and guns and violent responses - you suggest (deadly) force as a response all the time as well.

[RandBlade]

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2014/...-ridden-in-us/

It is a factor. Just like the other reasons I mentioned.

Your link states that immigration crimes are most likely to be committed and successful prosecuted near the border. File under "no shit Sherlock". Nowhere does that link refer to either fatalities of those shot by police, or the fatal shooting of Police. Violent crime does not correlate with the border, as the article actually says!

Oh and btw this is about shooting of blacks. I hate to break it to you but [99% of] Mexicans are not black. So try again ...

[Lewkowski]

Your link states that immigration crimes are most likely to be committed and successful prosecuted near the border. File under "no shit Sherlock". Nowhere does that link refer to either fatalities of those shot by police, or the fatal shooting of Police. Violent crime does not correlate with the border, as the article actually says!

Oh and btw this is about shooting of blacks. I hate to break it to you but [99% of] Mexicans are not black. So try again ...

The media likes to make it about blacks - it spends a lot of time covering it, very little time covering the ones where it wasn't a white cop and a black 'victim.' I put that in quotations because there are several cases that have been pushed in the media where the painted the person shot as the victim (Michael Brown) where forensic evidence and eye witness testimony made the claims bull shit.

[RandBlade]

The media make it about blacks. That is because the story is about the shooting of young black men by the Police.

Mexicans are neither here nor there. The fact that non-violent immigration crimes happen at the border is neither here nor there.

[Lewkowski]

The media make it about blacks. That is because the story is about the shooting of young black men by the Police.

Mexicans are neither here nor there. The fact that non-violent immigration crimes happen at the border is neither here nor there.

When determining what exactly is going on you have to understand the media narrative and what gets air time and what doesn't. Why is there disproportional attention when a white officer shoots a black man? When a white officer shoots a white man - no attention. When a black officer shoots a non-black man, no attention. Not being from America I don't think you quite understand how much our media pushes a particular agenda or narrative they want to force down people's throats.