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    Merkel will hear the call from Frankfurt, so far she always had.
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    The call is for Frankfurt to be a secundairy center, that's going to convince the French of exactly what?

    The main reason I can see for this 'demand' is that Frankfurt is making a last ditch effort to avoid full a blown bank union.
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    For good reason, they've not lost all leave of their senses.
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    Not having a bank union actually has prolongued the financial crisis in Europe.
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    Who cares about "in Europe"?

    We were talking about the Germans, are they suffering more or less of a crisis by not having a bank union?

    The crisis "in Europe" could have been addressed years ago if massive fiscal transfers were put in place from Germany, Netherlands etc to Greece, Spain etc - but the Germans haven't been willing to agree to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Who cares about "in Europe"?

    We were talking about the Germans, are they suffering more or less of a crisis by not having a bank union?

    The crisis "in Europe" could have been addressed years ago if massive fiscal transfers were put in place from Germany, Netherlands etc to Greece, Spain etc - but the Germans haven't been willing to agree to that.
    Actually, I don't feel like it's worth my while to discuss this with a Brexiteer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    The crisis "in Europe" could have been addressed years ago if massive fiscal transfers were put in place from Germany, Netherlands etc to Greece, Spain etc - but the Germans haven't been willing to agree to that.
    So what exactly is Draghi doing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by earthJoker View Post
    So what exactly is Draghi doing?
    He's filling in as the politicians put off the hard decisions.
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    So what exactly is Draghi doing?
    Trying to keep the plates spinning but can't unilaterally make decisions. Someone else here may not want to discuss an uncomforable truth I'm shining a light on but Germans like Schauble are abundantly clear - he is not willing to write a blank cheque "for Europe" and why should he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Trying to keep the plates spinning but can't unilaterally make decisions. Someone else here may not want to discuss an uncomforable truth I'm shining a light on but Germans like Schauble are abundantly clear - he is not willing to write a blank cheque "for Europe" and why should he?
    Correction; some things I don't discuss with you. Because you're 'out' and thus your opinions are not very relevant. No need to get worked up about them then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Trying to keep the plates spinning but can't unilaterally make decisions. Someone else here may not want to discuss an uncomforable truth I'm shining a light on but Germans like Schauble are abundantly clear - he is not willing to write a blank cheque "for Europe" and why should he?
    Schäuble also said: "Out is out." That's also an "uncomfortable truth" you don't want to hear.
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    I respect Schauble and heard that clearly. He's entering negotiations at his strongest starting point for his nation, just as he always does and just as we need to too. Everyone can learn lessons from Schauble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Trying to keep the plates spinning but can't unilaterally make decisions. Someone else here may not want to discuss an uncomforable truth I'm shining a light on but Germans like Schauble are abundantly clear - he is not willing to write a blank cheque "for Europe" and why should he?
    Draghi wrote a blank cheque ("Whatever it takes"). And Germany is paying for it.
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    As begrudgingly and slowly as possible.

    A rapid set of fiscal transfers and banking union could have ended the crisis (for now) already but as much as that would be good "for Europe", Schauble isn't off his rocker so it hasn't happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    A rapid set of fiscal transfers and banking union could have ended the crisis (for now) already but as much as that would be good "for Europe", Schauble isn't off his rocker so it hasn't happened.
    A bigger, faster kick would just have moved the rock further down the road. It wouldn't have solved anything.
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    Hence "(for now)"
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    To end something for now is actually an oxymoron now that I think about it.

    It's the Jesus version of dying: "Well guys, I am dying (for now)".
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    Or its a recognition that life goes on and we don't have final solutions.Any problem solved can always return years later, the difference is that for a few years the problem would have been over rather than ongoing but in the background.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Or its a recognition that life goes on and we don't have final solutions.
    It's been attempted in Europe, I don't think that was a good idea
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

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    Not sure how significant this is from our new Chancellor of the Exchequer "we are leaving the Single Market now it is about negotiating access". Not sure if that rules out EEA or if he views the EEA as negotiating access.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Or its a recognition that life goes on and we don't have final solutions.Any problem solved can always return years later, the difference is that for a few years the problem would have been over rather than ongoing but in the background.
    The problem is not really gone if you fighting the symptoms. You can live with it, but it isn't solved.

    What you suggest is not a solution, just a larger dose of Aspirin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Not sure how significant this is from our new Chancellor of the Exchequer "we are leaving the Single Market now it is about negotiating access". Not sure if that rules out EEA or if he views the EEA as negotiating access.
    It means the same as Brexit is Brexit. But it also means he is basically in favor of a quick article 50 process.

    Longterm it's the smart approach.
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    Brexit is Brexit was meaningless fluff to put the kibosh on any suggestions that as a Remainer May would reneg on the referendum result as it is legally advisory only.

    It has no deeper meaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Brexit is Brexit was meaningless fluff to put the kibosh on any suggestions that as a Remainer May would reneg on the referendum result as it is legally advisory only.

    It has no deeper meaning.
    Of course it has meaning, but I don't think she's stupid enough to make it mean anything specific. I noticed she said there would be no attempt to take you back into the EU through the backdoor. That is probably a very good idea, it also means that you could get back through the front entrance. Changed circumstances, General Election Platforms and all that.
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    Of course that is always an option. No government can bind it's successors. That is part of the point of Parliamentary Democracy.

    A General Election platform could consist of bringing back hanging, unilateral nuclear disarmament or any other crazy nonsense this government won't do.

    What do you think the odds are that a British government both could be elected on that platform and convince all 27 members to swiftly and easily let us back in?
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    Given that 48% of your electorate chose to stay in the EU despite all real and/or percieved shortcomings? I'd say there's a relative high possibility of that happening. And I presume it's a given that I'd rather not see it happen.
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    Yeah but see that's just a democratic vote with a high turnout. These days the typical British general election has a lower turnout, young people are even less likely to vote than they were in the referendum and I'm not sure if winning the popular vote would ensure a majority in parliament.
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    Johnson already managed to get booed at a reception at the French embassy. Negative spin or was a substantial number of people there really upset with him being there in that role?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Yeah but see that's just a democratic vote with a high turnout. These days the typical British general election has a lower turnout, young people are even less likely to vote than they were in the referendum and I'm not sure if winning the popular vote would ensure a majority in parliament.
    True, but it doesn't mean that EU membership couldn't be back on the menu before you could spell Brexit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    Given that 48% of your electorate chose to stay in the EU despite all real and/or percieved shortcomings? I'd say there's a relative high possibility of that happening. And I presume it's a given that I'd rather not see it happen.
    48% when the full force of the government and the civil service and incumbency was promoting the status quo. When referenda almost always see a swing to the status quo.

    Once Brexit is real, it will no longer be the status quo. It won't have the full backing of the government, the Prime Minister, a £9m leaflet campaign (when the campaigns were only permitted a £7m spending cap all campaign), the Treasury etc, etc, etc - but most of all a lot of people voted Remain not due to any great British love for the European Union but due to fear of the consequences of leaving. If we've left already, that fear will no longer be an issue as having left will be the new status quo.
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    Johnson already managed to get booed at a reception at the French embassy. Negative spin or was a substantial number of people there really upset with him being there in that role?
    Apparently he got booed by some of the Brits there, applauded by the French. I don't know, wasn't there obviously. Inappropriate behaviour.
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