Geopolitical impact of Brexit

[Hazir]

I didn't say that it was preferable, I said it was indispensible as a negotiating tool. Preferable is a Norwegian option in which the UK slips into the role of a client-state of the EU. For that they could keep most, but not all, the Common market has to offer.

And yes, I will be gloating a bit if that includes stripping a few of the opt-outs the UK as a EU member used to have.

[earthJoker]

I didn't say that it was preferable, I said it was indispensible as a negotiating tool.

It is totally OK to say that. It's just an obvious bluff if the EU tries to make us believe isn't interested in a good deal with the UK, nobody would buy this.

[Hazir]

It is totally OK to say that. It's just an obvious bluff if the EU tries to make us believe isn't interested in a good deal with the UK, nobody would buy this.

You are mistaken. It can't be a bluff for it to be effective.

It also is the direct result of the fact that the negotiations take place for no other reason than that the UK just voted to break the old agreement.

[earthJoker]

You are mistaken. It can't be a bluff for it to be effective.

If you say so Mr. Varoufakis.

[LittleFuzzy]

I didn't say that it was preferable, I said it was indispensible as a negotiating tool.

I would like to remind the posters in this thread that you are not the negotiators. You do not need to take any kind of "stance" for negotiation purposes, you will have absolutely zero effect on the negotiations, whatever they may be, no matter what you post here. Which means you can go ahead and just be honest about how negotiations are going to go. So kindly cut out all the posturing bullshit. You aren't the EU or the UK.

[GGT]

I would like to remind the posters in this thread that you are not the negotiators. You do not need to take any kind of "stance" for negotiation purposes, you will have absolutely zero effect on the negotiations, whatever they may be, no matter what you post here. Which means you can go ahead and just be honest about how negotiations are going to go. So kindly cut out all the posturing bullshit. You aren't the EU or the UK.

Isn't that like telling US voters to shut the fuck up and bend over, because the political establishment/elite has already decided how things will go? And isn't that what fed the whole anti-establishment movement to begin with?

[LittleFuzzy]

Isn't that like telling US voters to shut the fuck up and bend over, because the political establishment/elite has already decided how things will go? And isn't that what fed the whole anti-establishment movement to begin with?

Do voters have an active and direct role in who gets elected? I think so, maybe you disagree.
Does Rand, Hazir, or anyone else on this forum have any active or direct role to play in the negotiations on Brexit? No, not in the slightest, unless I am seriously misinformed as to people's general occupations.

So it would not be like telling US voters to shut up and bend over, no.

[GGT]

Do voters have an active and direct role in who gets elected? I think so, maybe you disagree.
Does Rand, Hazir, or anyone else on this forum have any active or direct role to play in the negotiations on Brexit? No, not in the slightest, unless I am seriously misinformed as to people's general occupations.

So it would not be like telling US voters to shut up and bend over, no.

Rand had a direct role in the Brexit vote because he's British....but the only reason that became an important political vote was because PM Cameron put that up for a referendum vote. Is that populism or democracy or parliamentary discretion?

I don't know how the UK (or EU) decides voter registration, or how they fund their elections, but I do know the US is rife with politically corrupted gerrymandering. We have different systems and processes, but I'm not so sure whose process is working best for the electorate. Right now it seems the UK is doing a better job at representing its voting majority, even though plenty of academics think they're making a mistake.

[Hazir]

Rand had a direct role in the Brexit vote because he's British....but the only reason that became an important political vote was because PM Cameron put that up for a referendum vote. Is that populism or democracy or parliamentary discretion?

I don't know how the UK (or EU) decides voter registration, or how they fund their elections, but I do know the US is rife with politically corrupted gerrymandering. We have different systems and processes, but I'm not so sure whose process is working best for the electorate. Right now it seems the UK is doing a better job at representing its voting majority, even though plenty of academics think they're making a mistake.

I already started writing emails to MP's of the party i voted for in previous Elections that if there is any truth to that rumour I will let that weigh heavy on the way I cast my vote at the elections in 2017.