Geopolitical impact of Brexit

[Hazir]

Well said. The rump EU is for today possible the most important of the many, many, many trade deals we are now going to negotiate. But it's far from the only one or all that is important. The idea of any deal being acceptable to us is nonsense too.

And you are marginally more important to us that Turkey I guestimate. We'd prefer a good deal with you over no deal, but no deal isn't going to be unsurmountable.

[RandBlade]

And you are marginally more important to us that Turkey I guestimate. We'd prefer a good deal with you over no deal, but no deal isn't going to be unsurmountable.

You clearly haven't got the foggiest clue what you're talking about then

[Flixy]

I don't disagree with that. The EU doesn't need the deal. Nether the UK. Fortunately we have fallbacks like the WTO. But just because you don't need something, it doesn't mean it isn't prefeable. It's pretty much like sex, you can live without it, but do you really want to live without it? And of course it should only be made if both agree with the terms to have it.

And to complete the analogy if you ate desperate for it you can always get it at a high cost

What makes you think that one implies the other? Look, I don't say that the talks between the UK and the EU couldn't fail, of course they can, but I find it rather pessimistic to assume that they will.

I don't think that per se, it really depends on how the negotiations will go. It's just that a lot of the leave campaign give the impression that they can get whatever they want and the EU will take that deal, and that is definitely not true. I'm pretty positive a deal will happen, as that is the best for all, but I'm also pretty sure the UK won't get the same trade benefits they have now when they want to cancel just the things they don't like.

[RandBlade]

I don't think that per se, it really depends on how the negotiations will go. It's just that a lot of the leave campaign give the impression that they can get whatever they want and the EU will take that deal, and that is definitely not true. I'm pretty positive a deal will happen, as that is the best for all, but I'm also pretty sure the UK won't get the same trade benefits they have now when they want to cancel just the things they don't like.

It depends if you're talking about ignorant talking heads or polemic politicians with no credibility, or the British government. I think the government is acting with great maturity right now and despite some hysteria from the likes of Hollande and Hazir are acting with traditional British spirit of "keep calm and carry on".

[Flixy]

It depends if you're talking about ignorant talking heads or polemic politicians with no credibility, or the British government. I think the government is acting with great maturity right now and despite some hysteria from the likes of Hollande and Hazir are acting with traditional British spirit of "keep calm and carry on".

Problem is when the government does that but doesn't make its case for the public, giving them false hopes. Which is I guess fine for them as long as they lose, otherwise you end up backtracking on their promises, say, within hours after the results come in. I wouldn't be surprised if the process takes too long people will get pissed off and feel betrayed. Nobody campaigned loudly on "we're going to leave two years after we think it's a reasonable time to stay the process which may be well in the future". (And that's besides the point that they did loudly campaign on promises they know they can't all deliver - and yes I an aware that's a general problem in politics).

It's actions like that which leads to 'politicians' like Trump of you ask me.

[Khendraja'aro]

And to complete the analogy if you ate desperate for it you can always get it at a high cost


I don't think that per se, it really depends on how the negotiations will go. It's just that a lot of the leave campaign give the impression that they can get whatever they want and the EU will take that deal, and that is definitely not true. I'm pretty positive a deal will happen, as that is the best for all, but I'm also pretty sure the UK won't get the same trade benefits they have now when they want to cancel just the things they don't like.

Indeed. And access to the market comes with strings attached. One of those strings: Free migration of workers. And, whoops, there goes one of the main argument of the Brexiteers.

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